This is what Armenia needs

[Thai-Samurai]

whatever, Armenia isn't gonna be a real democracy because the mafia is richer and more powerful than the gov't.

[Կարմիր Բ]

whatever, Armenia isn't gonna be a real democracy because the mafia is richer and more powerful than the gov't.

There is no such thing as ''armenia can't be a democracy because the mafia is too strong to deal with them''.With proper organizing and with good cadres it is not difficult.

The point is what are we going to do after we kick them out.

[Thai-Samurai]

you can't just kick them out they own everything, you have to prove that they ripped the country off, and have ties w/ gov't officials. You have to sue the whole system. Then build a new democracy w/ the money that the mafia has to give back. (which they won't want to). You risk chance of being killed by the mafia, and beaten by the gov't this whole time. Then you give the jobs to smart qualified Hyanaser people instead of the idiots in office now.

[Armenian]

Armenia does not need a revolution.

All nations have a mafia of some sort. In the US, the mafia is called the Neo-cons. In Armenia its the "Nor Hayer." America is a huge nation, Americans live better, the mafia does not effect the life of the average American. Armenia is a small fledgling nation, everything the mafia does can potentially effect the life of the average citizen.

However, Armenia will decend into chaos if it follows the path Georgia and Ukraine took. These two nations are in a lot of mess right now, I would not want to be in their shoes in the near future, especially Georgia's. The status quo needs to be maintained by Armenia as of now.

There is nothing you can do to stop the mafia, they exist within all countries. The Mayor of New York city just a hundred years ago was a criminal who owned gambling casinos and xxxxxhouses.

Armenians need to be proactive, they need to get invloved, they need to make their voices heard. The mafia will someday evolve into more tolerable forms.

Anyone who preaches revolution in the country right now is a traitor that needs to get flogged in public.

[karoaper]

Armenia does not need a revolution.

All nations have a mafia of some sort. In the US, the mafia is called the Neo-cons. In Armenia its the "Nor Hayer." America is a huge nation, Americans live better, the mafia does not effect the life of the average American. Armenia is a small fledgling nation, everything the mafia does can potentially effect the life of the average citizen.

However, Armenia will decend into chaos if it follows the path Georgia and Ukraine took. These two nations are in a lot of mess right now, I would not want to be in their shoes in the near future, especially Georgia's. The status quo needs to be maintained by Armenia as of now.

There is nothing you can do to stop the mafia, they exist within all countries. The Mayor of New York city just a hundred years ago was a criminal who owned gambling casinos and xxxxxhouses.

Armenians need to be proactive, they need to get invloved, they need to make their voices heard. The mafia will someday evolve into more tolerable forms.

Anyone who preaches revolution in the country right now is a traitor that needs to get flogged in public.

what's with you a flogging? fetish of some sort?

other than that, I agree. The country is too unstable all around for total shakedown.

[Armenian]

what's with you a flogging? fetish of some sort?

You picked that one up, eh. I am impressed.

You see, I normally use the word "flogging" in public because I can't use the word "shot" or "hanged" in public. I hope you understand, that last thing I need is for you to think that I am into some kind of a flogging fetish.

Armenia does not need a revolution, it just needs a well educated and a proactive population. The problems we have in Yerevan have little to do with the Mafia. Our real problems are geo-political. In short, we are in a f-ed up neighborhood under f-ed up circumstances. We have a tiny landlocked country, tiny population, no natural resources, and we are surrounded by enemies big and small.

When one takes the aforementioned facts into consideration, one realizes that our fledgling republic is doing just fine. Armenia, with all her problems, is doing better than most of the former Soviet states. However, the pro-Turk xxxrun media and government here would like you to believe that Armenia's end is just around the corner.

[karoaper]

Agreed.
Armenians love life. They love family life, they love friends, they love dancing and keffs. In summary, we're resilient because with all the difficulties, people still love life. That stubborn determination is what's defying the geopolitical conditions and sircumstances. Also, we have certainly had conditions much worse than now.

Our biggest problem though is that Armenians are leaving Armenia too fast. This is a hard topic for me to talk about, cause I left myself. I might need to be flogged maybe. But I'm still a citizen of RA and still have an apartment in Yerevan to my name and I'll be damned if I don't return later on to give back to my nation. Astvats Ta.

Our second problem is that of our own nature. Armenians do love to put down other Armenians. Rather than seeing what unites us we love picking on what separates us. This has got to go. Don't the Turks have an expression (I'm paraphrazing): "Be afraid only when Armenians are united". Armenians showed a lot of solidarity during the war. But now during relative peace, we need to show the same solidarity and more.

As far as flogging, I've lived in US long enough not to be surprized by strange fetishes. But, at any rate, glad you're not into that.

[deniz]

Don't the Turks have an expression (I'm paraphrazing): "Be afraid only when Armenians are united".

No, we don't. That's the first time I hear this, or an expression about Armenians here. Armenia isn't and has never been a concern to us. Turks living in Turkey don't care about Armenia or its citizens. We are not obsessed like you. The real problem is the Diaspora that keeps annoying us with "relocation" here and "relocation" there and makes a living out of Armenians' feelings. What would the Diaspora be without their so-called "relocation"?

[Fadix3]

No, we don't. That's the first time I hear this, or an expression about Armenians here. Armenia isn't and has never been a concern to us. Turks living in Turkey don't care about Armenia or its citizens. We are not obsessed like you. The real problem is the Diaspora that keeps annoying us with "relocation" here and "relocation" there and makes a living out of Armenians' feelings. What would the Diaspora be without their so-called "relocation"?

M-oron, visit the website of any Turkish organization out there, the Canadian Turkish organization, ATAA, the Australian Turkish organization, ANY Turkish government website, and let see the easiness you'll have to find any that does not xxxxxxx itself and regurgitate its own b-ull-s-hit about the Armenians.

Where on Earth, have any Armenian groupe, or Armenia to that matter, an Institute of higher studies only concentrating on 'Turkish' studies? Your sick government has founded an Institute of Armenian studies, that each year get its founds increased, and which only exist to deny the 'so-called relocation.'

I can give bunch of examples of articles, in which Armenians are equated with lower than animals, and this written by respected Turkish 'professors' that do their livings only on the hate they have for the Armenians. Your Halacoglu who leacks his own excrement, or your Ataov.

Or, what about you, in what way have you contributed in this forum, beside your smelly mouth with an abnormal bacterial infestation from the last xxxxxxx you did to your professor doctors kissing Ataturk statue each morning and would fight for having their thong on Kemals anus, had he been alive and asked to get it wiped.

Am I durty? Perhaps yes, but idiots like yourself would only understand this sort of language.

[ArmenianKid]

whatever, Armenia isn't gonna be a real democracy because the mafia is richer and more powerful than the gov't.

with enough loyal police that wont be as hard as you think. but the loyal policemen in itself is hard when the mob is trying to buy them out.