The truth about Khojalu

[Mos]

Re: The truth about Khojalu

good it happened, taught Azeris and turks a deserved lesson. After Karabakh war Azeris should hide in shame how with a handful of men we destroyed their israel, us, middle east supported army and they should always know we could have gone all the way to Baku. Khojali was a lesson for all the times the Azeris and Turks have killed and abused us. Also before Khojali Azeris were provacating us on how we could not harm innocent civilians. Your welcome, Azerkakjan.

[ninetoyadome]

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Excerpts from the book series on “The Assemblige of Artsakh Struggle for Existance” by Bakour Karapetian (Book 1, pages 187-189)


The founder and commander of the detachment of “special appointment group” Vladimir Vardanov tells us about it.

When the military action started in 1989, our forces in Armenia were divided according to directions. Baghdassarian Gevorg was appointed as the coordinator of the northern wing. I was appointed as a specialist of modern war or guerilla warfare methods. I served at the 12th brigade of “GRU” of the Soviet Union. I acquired military experience in Afghanistan, in Arabic countries and participated in rescue actions in Africa.
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I know some facts about the case of Khodgalou. The action of Khodgalou was elaborated by Felix Gzoghlian as chief of the headquarters of the first and the only regiment and he was the main reporter. Others were Ivan Ghoukasich from the Soviet Secret Service who was a very literate man, Alik Petrossian, the chief of the headquarters of “Erkrapah” (Land Guards), Vazgen Sargssian, Smbat Hakobian and me as a specialist of guerilla warfare methods and special actions. We reduced to a common denominator: at least 150 men were needed to seize Khodgalou and if opposite happens, it will be beyond our power. I had a big zone of responsibility, starting from Krasnolesk till Noiemberian, that’s why I didn’t participate very often in the actions connected with Karabakh. Ghoukasov asked me to help in the case of Khodgalou, to reconnoiter in the direction of Aghdam on who are to come for assistance to Khodgalou.

2 days before the action of Khodgalou, I was sitting at the intersection of the two roads in the direction of Nakhijevanik positions 3 km far from Aghdam. I was sitting with a boy of Karabakh origin, whose name I don’t know till now. He had “Rambo” nickname. We returned the next day from Khodgalou actions. This was the way I participated in the Khodgalou action. We were coming back with a group of young people of the group of Smbat Hakobian by helicopter. But our friend Gevorgian Karen from Smbat Hakobian’s group died there.

B.K. – Did the elaboration of the action function?

V.V. – No, another action was elaborated. At first, the basic emphasis was done on special forces, i.e., on secret service men, on saboteurs as it was a landing and assaulting action – the intrusion of saboteurs and seizure by the landing force. I had to play one of the main roles in this action. They decided that for that special action, Armenia couldn’t devote other means except for well prepared human resources. They calculated that 150 people were needed, and it was beyond Armenia’s power. It is not enough to seize, one must seize and keep it. It turned to a simple, infantry action, on the elaboration of which I didn’t participate. I had the 4th or the 5th role in it, which was that I and my scouts were observers in the direction of Aghdam. What concerns Khodgalou, what I saw on TV – corpses of Azeri gathered numerously on a small field, is an obvious lie and I can prove it. The corpses belong to people who died long before it. As an observer, I was sitting right there, and these corpses appeared there after the end of the battle, some 7-8 hours later.

B.K. – Was the territory, where the corpses were lying, under the control of our people?

V.V. – I was sitting right at that place while being a secret service man on the territory of Turks.

B.K. – Our people could go there and hit, couldn’t they?

V.V. –Our forces were 4-5 km far from that place, these were the positions of Nakhijevanik.

B.K. – So what kind of victims and where were they from?

V.V. – I don’t think that the governing body of Azerbaijan was so mean as to shoot up their escaping population biased. I would like to tell you whatever I saw that night, what could be seen. We hadn’t seen the group which started to approach, but the guys seeing them from the positions of Nakhijevanik, started to fire, the so-called “frightening fire”.

B.K. – How big was the group?

V.V. – It was dark, I couldn’t see. I saw an exchange of fire with the position of Nakhijevanik, which lasted some 1-2 minutes, not more. After it, the refugees, understanding that it was a wrong direction, didn’t go to the positions of Nakhijevanik. I don’t exclude that some refugees died during the exchange of fire. When Azeri refugees went to Nakhijevanik, they were forced back from the position. Some 15-20 minutes after it, a very fierce fire was opened from the Azerbaijan positions. I don’t exclude that Azeri, who were in front of the position of Nakhijevanik, while seeing the numerous group approaching them, thought that Armenians were attacking, because before that they had an exchange of fire with Armenians. When refugees appeared in front of Azeri, a very fierce firing started. It is possible that the soldier, who watching over the position, was sleeping, but during that firing, he opened his eyes and “started” to fire uninterruptedly. A very strong firing continued. I believe that soldiers, who were sitting on the Azerbaijan position, killed their population. If we objectively approach the situation, I think that the governing body cannot punish those soldiers: it was their position, they were keeping it safe and they didn’t have any information. If those people died in Khodgalou, they wouldn’t appear on the territory under the inspection of Azerbaijan, Azeri would not come to take photographs, the highly esteemed governing body wouldn’t cry over the dead population. Me, who was fighting against them, felt bad seeing it, but when they showed the place, it became clear for me. After a very fierce firing, Azeri soldiers, who were among the refugees, started to fire back and it became a real battle. I don’t exclude that the corpses were gathered from the Turkish firing point and shifted to a medium size clearing to blame Armenians and to take photographs of the corpses. There were no corpses there. When the fire ceased, I was informed by Soviet portable radio transmitters: “You can come back”. Next midday we returned and there was no exchange of fire there.

B.K. – At what time of the night was the firing?

V.V. – I can’t say, because I had other problems, had a specific task, I was inspecting the road. I heard all this from aside.

http://www.panarmenian.net/library/eng/?nid=217

[Palavra]

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genocide deniers?

[TomServo]

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genocide deniers?

Yes. Azerbaijan has joined Turkey as being the second country to vehemently deny the Armenian Genocide at the state level.

[Sako]

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Your welcome, Azerkakjan.

I second that !

This is there HERE and NOW...we need to make websites for the truth.

Me and a considerably big team including members from the AG Forum here in HyeClub are working on a very massive site based on the AG and all the other Genocide's that ever took place in history. We have support from serious people from many different countries and the site will probably be released by the end of May. We are aiming to make Candles and Ashes the HQ of the Armenian Genocide and a place where people from all over the world will be able to come and stand together. We've been working on all this for over 4 months.

Just wanted to let you know and hope to meet you in our site in the near future.

[Palavra]

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Yes. Azerbaijan has joined Turkey as being the second country to vehemently deny the Armenian Genocide at the state level.

I am sure, They are not the only one who had double standard. Anyway, If you need help about your job, You can learn much from Turkey.

[TomServo]

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I am sure, They are not the only one who had double standard. Anyway, If you need help about your job, You can learn much from Turkey.

I am the last person you should be talking to. I don't deny the massacre.

[Hellektor]

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the good thing about khojaly is that besides the some muslim countries no other country officially recognizes it.

Which Islamic countries? Some Muslims simply go from the emotional Muslim/Christian point and have no regard for historical truth. Besides, aren’t Turks in bed with Israel? Didn’t Muslims suffer for centuries under Ottoman yoke?

What is there to “recognize”? The whole thing was a 5 hour operation to extinguish the rocket launching pad that had incessantly fired Grads on civilian Armenians and according to simple rules in battle the raid was totally justified, legitimate and necessary. Khojaly had to be liberated to establish access to the only airport in the region and stop the sadistic genocidal act of firing rockets into houses, schools and hospitals.

The whole thing happened in “Azeri” occupied territory yet the number of “Azeri” filth put out of their misery has grown (and is still growing) all the time.

First they announced 100 “civilian” deaths, then after throwing the pure bodies of 34 out of 47 innocently slaughtered Armenian hostages in Aghdam on the pile of “Azeri” garbage they increased the number to 136. These were the bodies that were scalped to hide the identity of the Armenians and to shamelessly accuse Armenians of performing Turk culture on corpses.

Then they rounded the number to 200, later to 400, Still, applying Turkish ishec mathematics, they thought they could better put the 6 in front of the number 136, as a result they miraculously achieved the 613 number.

It was later rounded up to 1000 by the Jew scambug with a Turk whore Thomas Goltz, still later the miracle performing Turkish math increased it to 2000, 3000, 3500…

Recently they have even mentioned the number 6000 (note the significant 6). So what's the matter? Turks procreate fast but do dead Turks procreate faster than the live specimens of the species? Since the whole thing has happened in about a decade and a half, seems dead Turks reach maturity much faster if we have to believe the 60 times population growth of dead Turks.

Zori Balayan says as a people’s deputy in the 725th national territorial okrug of which Khojaly was also a part, he had at his disposal the exact number of the electorate of the area. Khojaly had 1350 eligible electors from a population of about 2150. It is a real mystery how, even after the evacuation of the area after the announcement by Armenians of the imminent attack through all available media, weeks before the actual operation and the departure of those who were let to pass through the humanitarian corridor, the population increase in hell of the dead Turks has reached such a record high.

One last thing, the whole charade “happened” in “Azeri” occupied area so how on earth aren't they able to count the dead, how hard is that for Turks?

That still after all these years we have to come back to this insignificant incident instead of letting the world know of the real genocide of Armenians by “Azeri” filth from 1988 to 1994 starting in Sumgait…


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[hrai]

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Which Islamic countries? Some Muslims simply go from the emotional Muslim/Christian point and have no regard for historical truth. Besides, aren’t Turks in bed with Israel? Didn’t Muslims suffer for centuries under Ottoman yoke?

What is there to “recognize”? The whole thing was a 5 hour operation to extinguish the rocket launching pad that had incessantly fired Grads on civilian Armenians and according to simple rules in battle the raid was totally justified, legitimate and necessary. Khojaly had to be liberated to establish access to the only airport in the region and stop the sadistic genocidal act of firing rockets into houses, schools and hospitals.

The whole thing happened in “Azeri” occupied territory yet the number of “Azeri” filth put out of their misery has grown (and is still growing) all the time.

First they announced 100 “civilian” deaths, then after throwing the pure bodies of 34 out of 47 innocently slaughtered Armenian hostages in Aghdam on the pile of “Azeri” garbage they increased the number to 136. These were the bodies that were scalped to hide the identity of the Armenians and to shamelessly accuse Armenians of performing Turk culture on corpses.

Then they rounded the number to 200, later to 400, Still, applying Turkish ishec mathematics, they thought they could better put the 6 in front of the number 136, as a result they miraculously achieved the 613 number.

It was later rounded up to 1000 by the Jew scambug with a Turk whore Thomas Goltz, still later the miracle performing Turkish math increased it to 2000, 3000, 3500…

Recently they have even mentioned the number 6000 (note the significant 6). So what's the matter? Turks procreate fast but do dead Turks procreate faster than the live specimens of the species? Since the whole thing has happened in about a decade and a half, seems dead Turks reach maturity much faster if we have to believe the 60 times population growth of dead Turks.

Zori Balayan says as a people’s deputy in the 725th national territorial okrug of which Khojaly was also a part, he had at his disposal the exact number of the electorate of the area. Khojaly had 1350 eligible electors from a population of about 2150. It is a real mystery how, even after the evacuation of the area after the announcement by Armenians of the imminent attack through all available media, weeks before the actual operation and the departure of those who were let to pass through the humanitarian corridor, the population increase in hell of the dead Turks has reached such a record high.

One last thing, the whole charade “happened” in “Azeri” occupied area so how on earth aren't they able to count the dead, how hard is that for Turks?

That still after all these years we have to come back to this insignificant incident instead of letting the world know of the real genocide of Armenians by “Azeri” filth from 1988 to 1994 starting in Sumgait…


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Posters here can fall into the trap of repeating turc/azbaboon propaganda as if it's fact. "Father , forgive them, they know not what they do"

[ninetoyadome]

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Hellektor thats what i meant when i said a few muslim countries, those that accept it because Armenia is a Christian country, there not the wiser. Everything else i agree with you. Its funny how azeris created this book that supposedly Zori Balayan wrote.

"How stupid one should be to torture his people with false announcements! It transpires that the Azerbaijanis are very skillful in this. They do not spare Azerbaijani readership and portrait horrific scenes xxxxxling common ethics.

To make sure one can only search for "revival of our spirit" phrase on the Internet and find numerous Azerbaijani websites where our neighbors post descriptions of inhuman deeds ascribing them to Armenian writer and publicist Zori Balayan.

After 15 years of futile efforts to find inhuman actions on part of the Armenian freedom fighters, Azeris have decided to accuse Armenians of made-up cruelties. Many Azeri internet sources allegedly quote the words of Zori Balayan from his "The Revival of Our Spirit" book: "… but only an Armenian whose heart was pulled out and thrown into the fire can feel proud and satisfied reading these lines.

"When Khachatur and I went down to the basement where they were kept our soldiers had already a child hammered to a window frame by his elbows… Then I did to this 13 years old Turk what his ancestors did to our children… He died of hemorrhage in 7 minutes… Khachatur hacked his body and threw pieces to dogs…" Citing this extract from our cruel neighbor’s unhealthy fantasy we want to calm Azeri readers down saying: "The above is a fable of your countrymen. Zori Balayan has never published such a book." It’s also silly to mention the place and date of publication and the pages of the quotes (Vanadzor, 1996, pages 260-262) to ring true.

Zori Balayan, who is currently aboard "Cilicia" sailing vessel, wrote a letter. "Many people call me these days asking whether I have a book published in Vanadzor and titled ‘The Revival of Our Spirit’. The question is that for already two years people come across this dirty disinformation, this perfect nonsense, to put it mildly, which is said to be a sentence from my non-existing book. I want to say that authors of these false quotes do not understand that first of all they discredit their own people."

http://www.nkrusa.org/news/daily_news.php?id=768

As you can see i know very well that khojaly was a fake. i know azeris killed azeris and blamed the Armenians.

"I demand that those entitled to protect writers’ rights by investigating such cases to show the readers the book that was quoted. I am sure that the human rights are not a hollow sound but a necessary reality of our life and it has to be protected."