President Ahmadinejad and Pan-Turkism

[Iranianazeri]

Re: President Ahmadinejad and Pan-Turkism

Yes, the Azeris of Iran (who are the "original" Azeris, if you will) don't have problems with Armenians (and vice-versa). Some people don't know that there is a HUGE difference between an Azeri from Azerbaijan and an Azeri from Iran, and that the Azeris in Iran consider themselves Iranian (I'm sure you can back this up).

The modern state of Azerbaijan was created by the Russian Empire so they can cause unrest in Iranian Azerbaijan, and hopefully annex these areas. There were some Azeris in today's Azerbaijan, but there were many groups like Lezgins, Talysh and Tatars who were all unfairly lumped together as "Azeris", and who have been oppressed and forced to accept their new national identity by the nationalist government in Baku.

I believe you are right. Pan-turkism was spread to Iran by sovjets in the beginning and at the same time to the kurds. Those communist sepratists demanded either autonomy or independence in the 40s. They were hanged. Today it is again gaining support among some, mostly because everyone are sick of the iranian regime, and because of panturkists support it (maybe the US too because they also hate the iranian regime). But every azeri activist isn't a pan-turkist, some of them just want freedom to live as they wish, just like the rest of the iranians. I don't think separatism is widespread.

[ArmSurvival]

Re: President Ahmadinejad and Pan-Turkism

With some exceptions (new panturkists in iran) the azeri of iran has nothing to do with neither the ethnical cleansing in turkey nor the war between the sovjet states. The armenians in iranian azerbaijan are respected and friends. And facts are facts.

Yes, the Azeris of Iran (who are the "original" Azeris, if you will) don't have problems with Armenians (and vice-versa). Some people don't know that there is a HUGE difference between an Azeri from Azerbaijan and an Azeri from Iran, and that the Azeris in Iran consider themselves Iranian (I'm sure you can back this up).

The modern state of Azerbaijan was created by the Russian Empire so they can cause unrest in Iranian Azerbaijan, and hopefully annex these areas. There were some Azeris in today's Azerbaijan, but there were many groups like Lezgins, Talysh and Tatars who were all unfairly lumped together as "Azeris", and who have been oppressed and forced to accept their new national identity by the nationalist government in Baku.

[Iranianazeri]

Re: President Ahmadinejad and Pan-Turkism

I'm azeri from Iran and this is ridiculous. The Pan turkists of iran hate the iranian regime and especielly Ahmadinejad too. I guarantee you that. Ahmadinejad is as persian as you can get because he comes from persian areas that have been relatively isolated from attackers. The iranian regime is pan-islamis and secondly pan-iranian. The azeris in Iran face some dscrimination and have demonstrated against the persian regime.

Oslonor is very contradictory. He says the iran regime is pan-turkist but at the same time iran is armenian friendly.

With some exceptions (new panturkists in iran) the azeri of iran has nothing to do with neither the ethnical cleansing in turkey nor the war between the sovjet states. The armenians in iranian azerbaijan are respected and friends. And facts are facts.

[ArmSurvival]

Re: President Ahmadinejad and Pan-Turkism

President Ahmadinejad is showing grey wolves pan-turkist sign in Azerbaijan. Ahmadinejad speaks fluent Azeri Turk language and is an Azeri Turk. Grey Wolves are Pan-Turkist nationalist.

Mr. Ahmadinejad is a Pan-Turkist. But he is not a secular Pan-Turkist. Iran is planning to destablize Turkey and impose a Taliban state on Turkey. Recent developments in Lebanon has started the process in Turkey with mass demonstrations. Mr. Ahmadinejad is seeking the talibanization of the whole region from Afghanistan to Turkey. That is what is going on.

This is Pan-Turkism in reverse. Pan-Turkism by Anatolian turks aims to bring secular turkish states in the region. Pan-Turkism in Iran aims at to impose a Taliban state on neighboring countries.

Also you should follow their politics in Iraq and Lebanon. More long term targets for Talibalization are both Pakistan and Suadi Arabia.

Oslonor, you seem to be completely oblivious to the fact that Iran and the Taleban were/are deadly enemies, and Iran was even close to declaring war on Afghanistan a few years back. This is nothing more than Islamophobia.

Also, comparing the way people look has nothing to with anything, and it speaks volumes about how scholarly and accurate your work is. It is a very simplistic and superficial way of dealing with a complex issue such as cultural background.

Re: President Ahmadinejad and Pan-Turkism

So what?

Shah Riza Pehlevi came from a Turkish family. And he was a friend of U.S.

But Ahmadinejad is not a friend of U.S. (certainly). May be Ahmadinejad is a Turk too.

Turkish blood makes people not a monster or an angel!

[oslonor]

Re: President Ahmadinejad and Pan-Turkism

No doubt he is Persian, but he might know azeri since he has been the mayor of Ardebil(a northern province) for a while.

I just want to point out how a Persian look like and Mr. Ahmadinejad is as typical azeri turk as you can get.

Persian


Azeri Turk (Nobel Prize Winner: Shirin Ebadi-)


Mr. Ahmadinejad is from Zanjan. Semnan and Garmsar are all lies.

[Lucin]

Re: President Ahmadinejad and Pan-Turkism

No doubt he is Persian, but he might know azeri since he has been the mayor of Ardebil(a northern province) for a while.

[Persepolis]

Re: President Ahmadinejad and Pan-Turkism

Actually, one correction...Ahmadinejad is a native of Garmsar (a 100 percent Persian city with no Azeri inhabitants) in Semnan PROVINCE, and grew up in downtown Tehran. But still, he is about as Persian as they come.

[Persepolis]

Re: President Ahmadinejad and Pan-Turkism

Ahmadinejad is a native of Semnan, a city which does not have one single ethnic Azeri, and is 100 percent Persian (he grew up in downtown Tehran however). Furthermore he does not speak a single word of Azeri, and is a big promoter of Persian language and literature...in fact he has tried during his presidency to tighten the links between what he calls the "Persian Triangle" (a reference to Iran, Tajikistan and Afghanistan, where Persian is the predominant language).

[crusader1492]

Re: President Ahmadinejad and Pan-Turkism

I have provided evidence about being Azeri. Mr. Ahmadinejad picture. Also he speaks fluent Azeri laguage.

There are many Armenians (especially those in Norther Iran) that speak fluent Azeri...are they for pan-Turkism too?