Liberation of Western Armenia

[Selpak]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

Go ahead, try to destroy them.

He is confused guy. Someone should teach him who did try what?

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

I don't think he's confused at all. He survived the Armenian genocide and I think that he knew who tried to kill him and his family. But I have here a other quote of his. Enjoy


"I should like to see any power of the world destroy this race, this small tribe of unimportant people, whose history is ended, whose wars have been fought and lost, whose structures have crumbled, whose literature is unread, whose prayers are no longer answered.... For when two of them meet anywhere in the world, see if they will not create a new Armenia!

William Saroyan, 1935.


Karo

[Kuja]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

I don't think he's confused at all. He survived the Armenian genocide and I think that he knew who tried to kill him and his family. But I have here a other quote of his. Enjoy


"I should like to see any power of the world destroy this race, this small tribe of unimportant people, whose history is ended, whose wars have been fought and lost, whose structures have crumbled, whose literature is unread, whose prayers are no longer answered.... For when two of them meet anywhere in the world, see if they will not create a new Armenia!

William Saroyan, 1935.


Karo

Keep your pride Karo.I wish that wouldnt include hatred towards Turks.

[melikianAvak]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

You will learn soon what we Turks really are.

I guess there should be more good quotes about Roms than Armenians. Am I wrong?

What does that mean? It sounds like a threat, or is it positive?

[Selpak]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

What does that mean? It sounds like a threat, or is it positive?

Our relations are increasing in both ways, isn't it?

[Mos]

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yes we need those lands, however with Karabakh and everything I dont see we even coming close to getting those lands in the near future

[ArmSurvival]

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Armenian, in reference to your post about ARF Shant....

Why would someone have a conference discussing what should be done after Turkey "gives" our lands back. No country on the planet hands out land (this is wierd considering I knew Garabed Moumdjian, he was my principle). So instead, why isn't the conference dealing with the political/social conditions that must be present in order for Armenians to exert their influence in western Armenia? Wouldn't this make a lot more sense?

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

I don't know why the confrce wa held but we need to be ready to take our chance when it's there when there's a civil war or war then we need to attack and cripple them for ever so that they will never recover from it. And I don't believe that they will give our land back we need to take it back if we need to use a diplomatic way or by force let it than be



Karo

[Artsakh]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

In theory, the idea of the Dashnaksutyun, along with its youth organization, is commendable, but ONLY as a diasporan organization. The role they play in slowing down assimilation is commendable. However, They have NO right to meddle in the internal affairs of the independent republic of Armenia.

Today they claim that although they are in government, they do not have total power and thus cannot be blamed for the current social-economic situation in the country. Instead, they call on the people to vote for them so that they have complete, absolute power, so that they can “stop corruption, increase the population of armenia to 4 million, raise pensions, and solve all the country's economic problems."

Needless to say, one only needs to look back at history to see how the dashnak leaders handle the situation when they have absolute power (i.e. the 1918 republic).

The Dashnaks can talk all they want about what “patriots” they are, they can come up with all the songs that they want, and they speak empty talk about returning to Armenia year after year. But the fact of the matter is, over the past years more than a million people left Armenia. That in itself is Genocide. Although Armenia is noticeably getting back on its feet, people are still leaving. Is this their sence of “patriotism”. Although I am not going to pretend I like the Turks, they dashnak policy that they advocate closed borders is ludicrous. If I am not mistaking, on a yearly basis Armenia looses 500 million due to the closed Turkish border. Even if an open border would only slightly benefit the people of Armenia and allow a few families who planned on leaving Armenia to remain on the land, then the border should be opened.

Does Greece not have territorial issues with the Turks? Does Syria not have territorial issues with the turks? So if the open border will benefit Armenia, even slightly, then the border should be open.

The fact of the matter is, when the time comes, and it will, when the geo-political situation in the world changes, and the big powers support us, Armenia will take advantage of the situation and solve the issue of our historic lands.

The land that we possess today, that so called “small” piece of land, which, in reality, is capable of supporting at least 20 million inhabitants, NEEDS A LOT OF WORK. Let us blossom what we have today, let us flower Armenia, so that when the time comes, we can do something about it. But how can we do something about it, when today we are loosing soldiers? Able bodied men, women are leaving the country? Look at Azerbaijan, their current population is 8 million, and their population is increasing year after year-they have a population growth, while we have a decline. Is that the dashnak patriotism? Do dashnaks think about that? Wait, they are too busy with preaching socialism, feminism, and globalism.

[ArmSurvival]

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Artsakh, I agree with most of what you say. The part about Dashnaks only being good for the diaspora is true. In fact Dashnaks in the diaspora (at least in Los Angeles) do not like to do fundraisers or other charitable work with other Armenian organizations. They are very partisan, they want to do things on their own, and they refuse to do anything if it means they have to work with another Armenian organization. Believe me, my principle was a Dashnak who was "high up in the foodchain", so to speak, so I know very well what the mentality at the top is. Sometimes I imagine what Armenia would be like if it was ruled by the ARF, and all I can think of is a totalitarian government which does not tolerate anything except its own party.

I don't know why the confrce wa held but we need to be ready to take our chance when it's there when there's a civil war or war then we need to attack and cripple them for ever so that they will never recover from it. And I don't believe that they will give our land back we need to take it back if we need to use a diplomatic way or by force let it than be

I agree, but the ARF shouldn't waste their resources and time discussing what would happen if Turkey gives back our land. If our land returns it is going to be by force, and if thats the case, then the circumstances and situation will be completely different than if they simply handed the land to us. Everything from political realities, social issues to demographics can change if the land is taken by force as opposed to being handed to us. In my opinion a conference with such a premise is a waste of time, and it basically sums up the Dashnaktsutyun's unrealistic mentality in a nutshell. They rely too much on what other people do rather than their own actions. They think the superpowers are going to hand the land to us on a silver platter.

and they speak empty talk about returning to Armenia year after year.

LOL, its funny you should mention this, I don't know how many Dashnaks in the late 80's were saying they would move to Armenia immediately if it became independent. These same Dashanks still live in Glendale, Pasadena, Hollywood, helping to prove that ARF is only good as a diasporan organization.