Liberation of Western Armenia

[Artsakh]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

Nonetheless, you must me on crack if you really think Greeks have not forgotten their lands. Greeks have long forgotten their land and have been asskissing Turks every chance they get. And from Cyprus to the Aegean sea Turks have been smacking Greeks around for the past several decades. Greeks can't even protect a bunch of barren Islands let alone wage war against Turkey. Turkey will fall apart someday due to its internal problems coupled with various geopolitical factors.

The Greek Government today is not pursuing an aggressive policy towards Turkey because if it does, it will accomplish noting but nothing, and it will be at the expense of the peace and economic well-being of its population. The job of any government is to first and foremost provide for its people. What is it going to accomplish by closing its border with turkey and pursuing an aggressive policy, except a detrimental effect to its economy and hurt its population? please, do tell me. therefore, for the time being, greece is pursuing a very healty, and correct policy. turkey is a huge market, a huge republic, with 70 million people. If you think that they will just disappear into thin air, you are sadly mistaken.

furthermore, no matter how "treasonous" the greek government is, the greek people have not forgotten about their lands. till this day, the greeks curse the turks. last, and quite simply, it is to the interest of any government to reign over more land. Therefore, if the opporunity arises, the greek government, no matter how "treasonous", will have no choice but to send in the troops, just like in the case of the "treasonous" levon der petrosayn, under whose rule Armenian forces liberated karabakh and the surrounding territories.

lastly, the greek government regularly speaks against the turks, and during the recent trip of the greek president to armenia he called on turks to accept their fault for the genocide. i don't know what "ass kissing" you are talking about.

[Armenian]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

So lets me get this straight, at the ARF's invitation, socialist internationalists are going to help eliminiate our centuries old traditions and customs, those same customs that have kept us armenian through the centuries, those same customs that have kept armenian families strong and stable. hmm....

Artsakh, you are now sounding quite hetamnadz.

So let me get this straight, the morning after you get married are you going to hang your "stained" bedsheets so that your entire village can see that your bride was a virgin? Will you beat your wife senseless if she does not comply with your wishes or if she looks at another man? Will you force your children to work the field and wear sheep skins? Will you marry off your daughter at twelve years old to a man three times her age?

Grow up Artsakh, this matter has nothing to do with the ARF per say, there is allot in "traditions and customs" that needs to be changed. Our "centuries old traditions and customs" are nothing but regurgitated Islamic crap.

There is a big difference between national culture and social customs. What kept us Armenians was our unique language, our church, our faith, and the Armenian Genocide.

Western Armenia will be liberated when the geo-political situation in the world changes. Let me put it this way, even if the Armenians don't care about their lands in Turkey, the Greeks sure as hell haven't forgotten about theirs. When the time is right, the Greeks won't pass up the opporunity, and I'm sure the Armenians will play a part in that plan, and attack from the other side. With an internal kurdish uprising, and Syrian forces attacking from the south (in pursuit of the realization of their greater syria), that's when the Armenian question will be solved.

What you just wrote is essentially what this thread is all about. You would have seen this had you read the initial post without your anti-ARF mental disorder. Nonetheless, you must me on crack if you really think Greeks have not forgotten their lands. Greeks have long forgotten their land and have been asskissing Turks every chance they get. And from Cyprus to the Aegean sea Turks have been smacking Greeks around for the past several decades. Greeks can't even protect a bunch of barren Islands let alone wage war against Turkey. Turkey will fall apart someday due to its internal problems coupled with various geopolitical factors.

and you know what, it'll be the Armenians who live in armenia that'll be doing the fighting, and not you know who.

I have quite a few ARF friends who were in Artsakh during the war. I also know of many who died in the war. The fact remains, while every other Diasporan Armenian organization was crying for mercy at the feet of western powers in the late 80s and early 90s the ARF were amongst the first organization fighting on the ground in Artsakh. Today, as you talk nonsensical crap, the ARF is spearheading the movement in Javakhq. And I know of the Javakhq movement first hand.

I really think you have a serious "personal" issue regarding this topic. Your condition goes beyond political discussion and debate, what you have is definitely a mental problem.

[Artsakh]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

you wanna know what your spyurka hye dashnaks are busy with, go watch Azamat in the movie Borat.

[Artsakh]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

Artsakh, you are now sounding quite hetamnadz.

So let me get this straight, the morning after you get married are you going to hang your "stained" bedsheets so that your entire village can see that your bride was a virgin? Will you beat your wife senseless if she does not comply with your wishes or if she looks at another man? Will you force your children to work the field and wear sheep skins? Will you marry off your daughter at twelve years old to a man three times her age?

Grow up Artsakh, this matter has nothing to do with the ARF per say, there is allot in "traditions and customs" that needs to be changed. Our "centuries old traditions and customs" are nothing but regurgitated Islamic crap.

There is a big difference between national culture and social customs. What kept us Armenians was our unique language, our church, our faith, and the Armenian Genocide.

listen, dude. You are a party finatic and too romantically involved to see the truth. "O, the ARF can sign off Armenian Kars and Ardahan, but its ok, cuz they say they're nationalists." clear out your eyes and come to your sences. There is nothing wrong with the way women are treated in Armenia. I don't know what you were babbling in your previous statement. what the arf is trying to do, along with the socialist international, is tear apart the armenian family, and lead to the destruction of the armenian nation. This is why the ARF was founded and financed by world wide socialist zion-ists for, and that is the policy it is pursuing till this day. Moreover, if there are any changes of customs that needs to be done in Armenia, IT IS THE PEOPLE OF ARMENIA THAT MUST PURSUE IT, AND NOT FAT, THICK HEADED DASHNAKS FROM THEIR OVERSEAS MANSIONS. End of story!!!!!!

[Artsakh]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

Now clear out your head and posts topics that have to do with Western Armenia.

Western Armenia will be liberated when the geo-political situation in the world changes. Let me put it this way, even if the Armenians don't care about their lands in Turkey, the Greeks sure as hell haven't forgotten about theirs. When the time is right, the Greeks won't pass up the opporunity, and I'm sure the Armenians will play a part in that plan, and attack from the other side. With an internal kurdish uprising, and Syrian forces attacking from the south (in pursuit of the realization of their greater syria), that's when the Armenian question will be solved. and you know what, it'll be the Armenians who live in armenia that'll be doing the fighting, and not you know who.

[Artsakh]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

Despite this statement, Locatelli stated that the Socialist International would help us eliminate our traditions and conservative customs,

So lets me get this straight, at the ARF's invitation, socialist internationalists are going to help eliminiate our centuries old traditions and customs, those same customs that have kept us armenian through the centuries, those same customs that have kept armenian families strong and stable. hmm....

[Artsakh]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

Dear fellow Armenian, look at what policies the ARF is pursuing in Armenia. If you are not disgusted, i don't know what to say.
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Yerkir.am
March 23, 2007

The Women’s Organization of Socialist International held its regional convention in Yerevan upon the invitation of the Armenian Revolutionary Federation (ARF) Supreme Body’s Women’s Committee.

The regional convention covered the Eastern Mediterranean, the Middle East, the Caucasus, Central and Eastern Europe. Representatives of countries from this region discussed in Yerevan issues related to gender aspect of international migration.

Chairwoman of the Socialist International Pia Locatelli thanked ARF’s Women’s Committee represented by Maria Titizian. Stressing the ARF’s important role in creating a socialist society and empowering women, Locatelli noted in her opening remarks that Armenia is a transition country where Armenian women suffer from domestic violence, trafficking, and have to survive in very difficult conditions. The issue of women’s participation in politics is of special concern.

Locatelli stated that only 7 out of 131 members of the parliament are women. Only 19 out of 900 community heads are women, there is only one female minister, etc.

Armenian women participating in the convention learned that their rights are violated in what concerns healthcare services, reproduction, women in Armenia were presented to be victims. Despite this statement, Locatelli stated that the Socialist International would help us eliminate our traditions and conservative customs, and will help us bring up a new generation in which it will not be men who will be doing barbeque, carrying heavy weights and ruling the country.

Representative of ARF’s Supreme Body, National Assembly deputy Armen Rustamian welcomed the participants of the convention and stressed the importance of integration with European standards and protection of women’s rights.

‘We worship women as mothers, sisters, daughters but are not very happy about their presence and representation outside the family. We must eliminate this discrimination. Family is the cell of the society and the women’s role should be equally important in the family and in the public and political life.’ Rustamian said. He noted the topic of the convention is very important since Armenia is a country with a high rate of migration.

Socialist International unifies the women throughout the world.

Secretary General of the Socialist International’s Women’s organization Marlene Haas is visiting Armenia for the fourth time in the past five years. She has a good understanding of the overall situation in the country and the role of women.

Last year Haas participated in the conference organized by the ARF Supreme Body’s Women’s Committee. She spoke with appreciation of the education level of Armenian women. Haas believes that cooperation between women NGOs, political parties and authorities will gradually yield positive results and increase the number of women at all levels of decision making.

Haas presented a brief overview of the Socialist International, ‘The Socialist International is a non-governmental organization that is a member of the UN Council on Economic and Social Affairs and an associate member of the Council of Europe. Currently, SI has 148 member organizations. An international secretariat was formed in 1907 in Stuttgart by 58 delegates from European and other countries headed by Klara Tsetkin. SI has contributed to liberalization of women which in its turn resulted in a struggle for women’s rights.’

[Armenian]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

In theory, the idea of the Dashnaksutyun, along with its youth organization, is commendable, but ONLY as a diasporan organization...

Nice going again, Artsakh. Its obvious you have a serious metal impediment, a severe obsession, regarding Dashnaks - I don't think your condition can be explained in any other way. You always do this. You always start talking garbage and then apologize and say "hey I don't want Turks seeing this conversation..." Then you ask moderators to delete your posts, then you ask me to delete my posts, etc... This is getting very childish, Artsakh. Once again, you just threw kaka in my thread, and now its attracting flies. After all is said and done, the only "Armenian" political/social organization in existence within the Diaspora has been, is and will continue being the ARF. Now clear out your head and posts topics that have to do with Western Armenia.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

If the diasporian dashnak party really wants to help Armenia let them move back there and youse their earnd money to a good use, if they don't do that why would anyone give them any power. And the confrens was a very stupid, why would anyone give back our lands we need to take it back. within a few years when I'm done with school and all I'm planning to return to Hayastan and live there and I hope many here will follow my example that why we can take back with us what we have learned outside of Hayastan a good use


Karo

[ArmSurvival]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

Artsakh, I agree with most of what you say. The part about Dashnaks only being good for the diaspora is true. In fact Dashnaks in the diaspora (at least in Los Angeles) do not like to do fundraisers or other charitable work with other Armenian organizations. They are very partisan, they want to do things on their own, and they refuse to do anything if it means they have to work with another Armenian organization. Believe me, my principle was a Dashnak who was "high up in the foodchain", so to speak, so I know very well what the mentality at the top is. Sometimes I imagine what Armenia would be like if it was ruled by the ARF, and all I can think of is a totalitarian government which does not tolerate anything except its own party.

I don't know why the confrce wa held but we need to be ready to take our chance when it's there when there's a civil war or war then we need to attack and cripple them for ever so that they will never recover from it. And I don't believe that they will give our land back we need to take it back if we need to use a diplomatic way or by force let it than be

I agree, but the ARF shouldn't waste their resources and time discussing what would happen if Turkey gives back our land. If our land returns it is going to be by force, and if thats the case, then the circumstances and situation will be completely different than if they simply handed the land to us. Everything from political realities, social issues to demographics can change if the land is taken by force as opposed to being handed to us. In my opinion a conference with such a premise is a waste of time, and it basically sums up the Dashnaktsutyun's unrealistic mentality in a nutshell. They rely too much on what other people do rather than their own actions. They think the superpowers are going to hand the land to us on a silver platter.

and they speak empty talk about returning to Armenia year after year.

LOL, its funny you should mention this, I don't know how many Dashnaks in the late 80's were saying they would move to Armenia immediately if it became independent. These same Dashanks still live in Glendale, Pasadena, Hollywood, helping to prove that ARF is only good as a diasporan organization.