Liberation of Western Armenia

[Azad]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

haven't know that others says so good words about Turks.

I agree with you. It is a first for me too.

[Anoush]

Re: Liberation of Western Armenia

Illuminator nice qutos. I hope that they will learn what the world really think about them

And this is what some famous people think of the Armenians:

"If the scriptures are rightly understood it was in Armenia that paradise was placed.... But whatever may have been their destiny and it has been bitter whatever it may be in future, their country must ever be one of the most interesting on the globe.... And perhaps their language only requires to be more studied to become more attractive. Armenian is the language to speak with God." Lord Byron


"In my district, there is a significant population of Armenian survivors and their families that showed heroic courage and a will to survive." Jerry Costello


"If Turkey is prepared to acknowledge the Armenian Genocide, then its leaders can proceed immediately to direct dialogue with its counterparts in Armenia to define a common vision for the future." Mark Foley


"Moreover, as the leadership of the House confirmed last year, the Administration remains opposed to a congressional resolution on the Armenian Genocide due to Turkish objections. This approach sends absolutely the wrong signal to Turkey and to the rest of the world." Patrick J. Kennedy

[Selpak]

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Illuminator nice qutos. I hope that they will learn what the world really think about them

You will learn soon what we Turks really are.

Btw, Turks well know who David Llyod Geroge is. However he was one of the famous Turkish foe, he honours Atatürk many times. Illuminator can you find them?? "türkler hakkında söylenen sözler" (quotes about turks) http://www.google.com.tr/search?hl=t...Ara&meta=lr%3D Thank you Karot and illu. I haven't know that others says so good words about Turks. Their words honours me.

I guess there should be more good quotes about Roms than Armenians. Am I wrong?

[KarotheGreat]

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Illuminator nice qutos. I hope that they will learn what the world really think about them

[Illuminator]

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GOBBLE GOBBLE GOBBLE GOBBLE Hope u can understand how a Turk things and place urself in my shoes. At the end of the day we are also just little human beings.

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Bishop Fabri of Vienna (1536–41)
"There are no crueller and more audacious villains under the heavens than the Turks who spare no age or sex and mercilessly cut down young and old alike and pluck unripe fruit from the wombs of mothers".

"Those who assist turkey...I say that they should be marked forever as a shame, a horror and a disgrace to mankind."
Signor Garrini,
Italian Consul-General
August 25, 1915

Voltaire

Voltaire refering to the brutal 500 year Ottoman occupation of Greece.

"I wish fervently that the Turkish barbarians be chased away immediately out of the country of Xenophon, Socrates, Plato, Sophocles and Euripides. If we wanted, it could be done soon but seven crusades of superstition have been undertaken and a crusade of honour will never take place. We know almost no city built by them; they let decay the most beautiful establishments of Antiquity, they reign over ruins."

"Grass Never Grows Where the Turkish Hoof Has Trod"

The National Geographics Magazine - November 1912


"The turk is so absolutely without a moral sense, so unutterably bestial in his
consideration of woman, so unthinkably vile and filthy in his personal habits, and so hopelessly degraded in his relations with his fellow man that the depth of his infamy is past all human credence.

The turk is not a human being. I do not call him a beast, because not one of God's dumb creatures could sink so low. The turk is a devil without a tail. And the educated, polished turk--the official who affects a knowledge of the French language and a veneering of Parisian manners--is the most unspeakable fiend of all.

In proof that this assertion is based on incontestable truth I challenge denial from any unprejudiced man who has known the turk thoroughly well for a quarter of a century."

William W. Howard
1896
An American Eyewitness to turk Savagery

"The Turks are a human cancer, a creeping agony in the flesh of the lands which they misgovern, rotting every fibre of life ... I am glad that the Turk is to be called to a final account for his long record of infamy against humanity."

From a speech by the British Prime Minister, D. Lloyd George, 10 November 1914, cited in H.W.V. Temperley (ed.), A History of the Peace Conference of Paris, Oxford 1969, VI, 24.

"What have the Turks ever contributed to culture, to art, or to any aspect of human progress that you can think of? They are a human cancer, a creeping agony in the flesh of the lands they misgovern, rotting every fibre of life. They have ruled over most of the countries which are the cradle of civilisation; these lands were once the most fruitful and the most abundant of the world; they were the granaries of the East and of the West alike. In turn, they have been governed by Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, and Romans-- all tyrants; but they left these countries prosperous and luxuriant. What about the Turk? He comes to these plenteous lands, and the thread of his blood-stained sandal scorches and withers life and fertility in whole territories. Every grain in thousands of square miles is shrivelled up. The sight of this Gorgon has turned bounteous plains and fields into stony deserts. The people he has subjected to his rule have for centuries been the victims of his indolence, incompetence, and lust, and now-- now that the great day of reckoning has come upon the nations-- I am glad that the Turk is to be called to a final account for his long record of infamy against humanity.

David Lloyd George - "Through Terror to Triumph" (1915)

Yes, they will indeed be called to a final account!

[Armenian]

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TURKIYE
TURKIYE
TURKIYE

How Turkish of you

Why don't you now go and behead your Turkified Armenian friends...

You are typical of your barbaric kind. Talking to garbage like you is a waste of time.

For more comments about Turkish-Armenian relations please see the following thread: http://forum.armenianclub.com/showthread.php?t=4648

[MYND]

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Yeah parasite my assss
U see? If a nice approach does not work then its your losss
TURKIYE
TURKIYE
TURKIYE

[Azad]

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I even see that we are very similar to eachother.

Probably the reason you did because of your Armenian Grandmother was a rape victim of the turkic culture. And I say culture, sine today your are not a turk only the “Parasite” that is being carried Westwards to infect the rest of civility by the original turkic behavior. An Armenian that is in Holland today is there because of your grand parents Genocidal actions. That Armenian was content to be in Anatolia for a millennia ... in your case what are you doing in Holland? If you so dearly wanted Anatolia to be a turkic paradise at least you could have done something out of it, instead of your westwards destruction. I would be a shame to still call myself a turk in my next infective host called “Holland”.
Start calling yourself a Dutch for a change. What is it in that turkic “parasite” after traveling half way across the globe absorbing all kind of people it still identifies itself with the original behavioral “virus”?
I want you to stand in front of a mirror and say to yourself 20 times... "I am the product of a cultural rape". That might help you wake up. Maybe not.

[MYND]

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This thread is really funny to read...I can really taste the anger aiganst ''the big bad evil turk'' from here! I can almost touch it, its so real!

But now, lets get to the point...
I am a Turk from Holland and i have Armenian friends here. We do a lot of things together with eachother like watching movies, playing poker, playing soccer etcetera. We spent a lot of time together, Turks and Armenians.We are friends and enjoy the good things in life. We are a living example that Turks and Armenians can get along. I just saw this forum and the bashing on Turks here is just so funny. All of the people doing so have probably not even met a Turkish person in real life.They just think we are pure evil.

U know how we do that?Being friends? We do not dig in the past but live here and now, and with our minds set to the future. We do not support or like what has happened in the past but we can let it go and embrace eachother as human beings. I was not living in 1915, nor where my armenian friends. Why should we hate eachother? I even see that we are very similar to eachother.

My point here is, stop living in the past and in WOI, start living here and now in peace! Turks will always say we did not commit genocide, and Armenians will always say u did. So whats the point in going on?

And off course u want to know my opinion about the things that happened in 1915? I can give u that and i can be short about it. The Ottomans at that time made a stupid move by ordering all armenians to leave the empire, but i dont think it can be labeled as genocide because they did not want to wipe out the Armenian race like Hitler wanted to do with the xxxs in WOII. In a pure and theoretical way, therefore u cannot label it as genocide. But there was more going on at that time..The Armenians collaborated with the Russians and stabbed the Ottomans in the back at a large scale.There where a lot of Armenian gangs that caused mayhem. They slaughtered whole Turkish villages and killed women and children. The turkish people therefore started to hate the Armenians as a people and as traitors to the empire and fear ruled them. The ottoman central regime was fighting war all over the place, in the east against the greek,french,brittish,australians, etc. Can u imagine how hard that is?? Just try... And therefore they ordered the Armenian people to get the hell out, just simply put.This was actually for their own protection because otherwise villagers would have lynched them all. While they where marching to the east and passed large cities the angry people lynched them and the few soldiers could not prevent that. There should have been more soldiers to protect them, i admit and more food/water. The ottomans had no food for their own soldiers at that time,let alone for the Armenians. And they needed the troops badly to save the motherland against the invadors. So the journey must have been rough.I wish they had made another dicision but eventually every people and race wants their own freedom and own borders. Dont blame u guys, but also dont blame us Turks for risking a shot at a mighty empire. The thing is, every empire will fall and with supressing people u will get nowhere.Everyone diserves their freedom. Thats what i think.

I like Armenians, Like Greeks etc but if they hate me then too bad for them. I will always reach my hand out at first.

Hope u can understand how a Turk things and place urself in my shoes. At the end of the day we are also just little human beings.

[Armenian]

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This is how I foresee the Turkish state falling apart eventually - from within. With Islam gaining popularity within mainstream Turkish society and Kurds gaining in strength its only a matter of time before the Republic of Turkey, as we know it, will cease to exist. Are we Armenians ready to exploit the situation when it occurs?

Turkey keen to attack Kurds in Iraq as Kurdish militant kills 8



Turkish foreign minister Monday defended his country's right to move into neighboring Iraq to destroy separatist bases there as eight soldiers died in the latest suicide bombing involving ethnic Kurds.

The suicide attack, which occurred at a Turkish checkpoint, killing at least eight soldiers and leaving six wounded, is the latest in a series of terrorist attacks allegedly carried out by Kurdish militants. "We respect Iraq's territorial integrity but we cannot tolerate terrorist activities near our borders and on our territory," Abdullah Gul told an Ankara news conference after a meeting with EU officials. The EU apparently has given tacit support for Turkey's plans for a large military operation in the Kurdish-populated northern part of Iraq against armed members of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK).

Speaking after their meeting with Gul, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, the German foreign minister, and Olli Rehn, the EU enlargement commissioner, neither condemned nor openly supported the plan. Renh said, however, that the EU was definitely on Turkey's side where counterterrorism was concerned. The Turkish military have said up to 3,500 PKK gunmen based in Iraq were poised to commit terrorist attacks in Turkey, which encouraged the government to draft a petition to the UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon, asking him to exert pressure on Baghdad over the PKK's presence in Iraqi Kurdistan.

The Turkish TV network NTV said the petition to be sent Monday would substantiate Ankara's claim that a military operation would be legal, citing Article 51 of the UN Charter on the inherent right of individual or collective self-defense by members. Last week Turkey's Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan vowed to decide whether an operation would take place as soon as the military provided sufficient intelligence. "The ultimate decision on an operation is political. We will give consideration to whatever the military ask us to," he told Turkish media.

Amid the Turkish military buildup near the Iraqi border in past weeks, Iraqi President Jalal Talabani and Massoud Barzani, head of the Kurdish administration in northern Iraq, said Sunday the Turks had bombed Iraqi territory in one of several pinpoint raids against PKK gunmen, a claim neither confirmed nor rejected by the Turkish General Staff. Over 40,000 people have been killed in Turkey since 1984 when PKK started its fight for an ethnic Kurdish state in the southeast of the country. Its charismatic leader Abdullah Ocalan has been imprisoned since 1999 on charges of terrorism narrowly escaping the death penalty because the EU, whose membership Turkey is seeking, has long lobbied against capital punishment.

Since the 2003 U.S.-led overthrow of Saddam Hussein, Turkish separatist Kurds have received increasing, if unacknowledged, support from those living in the three neighboring provinces of oil-rich northern Iraq, whose population has sought autonomy from Baghdad and where local Peshmerga militia formally took over security functions from U.S. forces earlier this month. Ethnic Kurds have also been actively driving for autonomy in eastern parts of Syria. The borders between the three countries are still unsecured.

Source: http://en.rian.ru/world/20070604/66654908.html

US again warns Turkey against move into northern Iraq

Washington has repeatedly said it does not believe a cross border operation into northern Iraq will resolve the issue of PKK bases in the region.

The US has again warned Turkey not to send troops into northern Iraq to strike at bases operated by the terrorist group the PKK. The latest warning came on Sunday, with US Secretary of Defence Robert Gates saying Washington hoped Turkey would not take unilateral military action across the border into Iraq. Speaking in Singapore, where he was attending meetings with senior Asian officials, Gates said he understood and sympathised with Ankara over the attacks being staged by the PKK based in northern Iraq.

“The Turks have a genuine concern with Kurdish terrorism that takes place on Turkish soil,” Gates said. “So one can understand their frustration and unhappiness over this. Several hundred Turks lose their lives each year, and we have been working with the Turks to try to help them get control of this problem on Turkish soil.” The US has said it prefers Turkey to work with Iraq to try and combat the threat posed by the PKK in the region.

Source: http://www.ntvmsnbc.com/news/409962.asp

Gates warns Turkey not to invade Iraq

US Defense Secretary Robert Gates on Sunday cautioned Turkey against sending troops into northern Iraq, as it has threatened, to hunt down Kurdish rebels it accuses of carrying out terrorist raids inside Turkey.

"We hope there would not be a unilateral military action across the border into Iraq," Gates told a news conference after meetings here with Asian government officials. Turkey and Iraq were not represented. Gates said he sympathized with the Turks' concern about cross-border raids by Kurdish rebels. "The Turks have a genuine concern with Kurdish terrorism that takes place on Turkish soil," he said. "So one can understand their frustration and unhappiness over this. Several hundred Turks lose their lives each year, and we have been working with the Turks to try to help them get control of this problem on Turkish soil."

Tensions have heightened in recent weeks in northern Iraq as Turkey has built up its military forces on Iraq's border, a move clearly meant to pressure Iraq to rein in the rebels of the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, separatists who launch raids into southeast Turkey's Kurdish region from hideouts in Iraq. Turkey's political and military leaders have been debating whether to try to root out those bases, and perhaps set up a buffer zone across the frontier as the Turkish army has done in the past. Turkey's military chief said Thursday the army was ready and only awaiting orders for a cross-border offensive.

Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki on Saturday urged Turkey not to stage a new incursion, saying his government will not allow the relatively peaceful area of northern Iraq to be turned into a battleground. Turks accuse Iraqi Kurds, who once fought alongside the Turkish soldiers against the PKK in Iraq, of supporting the separatist rebels and worry that the war in Iraq could lead to the country's disintegration and the creation of a Kurdish state in the north. At the Singapore news conference Gates was asked about a reported U.S. naval bombardment on Friday of terrorist targets in northern Somalia.

"That's possibly an ongoing operation," he said, adding that as a result he would not comment on it. Gates was in Singapore to attend an international security conference known as the Shangri-la Dialogue, where he reassured Asian nations that the United States remains committed to being a Pacific power and is not distracted by the Iraq war. He said he did not ask any Asian government representatives to make new commitments to help in Iraq, but he did discuss with them at length the prospect of providing more assistance in Afghanistan. He said some countries, which he did not name, told him they were open to considering new commitments in Afghanistan.

Source: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2...ent_886004.htm