Are there Persians in Iran?

[oslonor]

Re: Are there Persians in Iran?

We are not talking about Iran. We are talking about "Iranian". That is a concept from 18 century. Read the article on the link.

So what is wrong with the ethnic map? That is exactly the point. You are saying all the people in Iranian are of "Iranian race" and there is no difference between a baluch, persian, kurd and azeri turks. They just speak different languages. Just tell a Kurd this. They consider that as an insult to be called Azeri Turks.

[Sean]

Re: Are there Persians in Iran?

Oslo, nothing you say has ANY credibility because u just come out and make up numbers, but when ur asked to back them up, u change the subject

and no Irans not a 400 year old concept, Ferdosi called Iran Iran a thousand years ago, the Ashkanians called Iran Iran 1,800 years ago, the Persian empire cyrus and Darius called themsleves Iranians, so ur attempts at making up this psuedo-conflict is laughable.

[oslonor]

Re: Are there Persians in Iran?

Iranian is a modern concept from Saffavids time in 16 century. Its signifance is from 18 century. People of Iran were not called Iranian in past history.

Azeris are misusing this term to hold to power. Azeris are not related to Iran ethnically or culturally. They are foreign elements and you can see the result in the present regime.

So what is wrong with ethnic map?

[karoaper]

Re: Are there Persians in Iran?

Well, in some other posts, he has tried to prove that Iran's leaders are Azeri Turks and secretly pro-Turkish, which at least judging from facts of the present times is rubbish. Even if, Iran later on in time were to become pro-Turkish (highly unlikely) would hastening that be in Armenia's interest. Of course not.

[Sean]

Re: Are there Persians in Iran?

oslo,

how is Iranian a modern concept, Iranians in Iran since the aryan migration since thousands of years ago have called themselves Iranians, and those same people taht migrated to Iran all those thousands of years ago are the Azeris in that province today.

Ill quote from ur own blog

The Azaris are actually Persians who adopted the Turkish language. They have mixed a little with Turkish invaders (probably about 10%) unlike the Persians.

^^ thats all u need, end of story.

Now, before u lose even more credibility, u have to answer my questions in the previous post regarding the regime, the turkification and arabization, and a source for that 200,000 that this regime has executed

karoaper,

what u said is a little eye opening. ive only been on this forum a few days and im just now noticing that every post this oslo guy makes has to do with Iran being some sort of Azeri state or some fantasy that he has. Like u hinted at, his motive is probably to make Iran out to be this huge Turkish state so the Armenian members would hate it. or some xxxx like taht honestly i dont even understand what hes trying to do. but ur right, he's probably suffering from some inferiority complex and would be better off hangin out at some white nationalist website.

[karoaper]

Re: Are there Persians in Iran?

Dude, can I ask you a question. You're trying so hard to prove this point that Iran is hijacked by Azeri Turks, and that the "Persians" are the minority. I'm not sure why you do that here. If it's to say that Armenia should sever her relations with Iran, then you honestly are wasting your time, because that would be suicide. Azeri Turk or not, Iran is hugely important regional ally for Armenia. In fact, Armenia must at the moment refrain at any cost from doing anything that would sour our relationship with Iran and make it more pro-Turkish.

So why else be so gung-ho on proving your point here. We're not Iranians, so we cannot in any way help affect any changes in the society and politics of Iran. And honestly, at the moment we have our own Armenian problems to worry about to care about Iran.

Other than that I mut tell you, I think you may suffer from the same inferiority problem as people who go to Stormfrom and other WN sites, dying to prove that they're in fact white, posting pictures of the whitter examples of their compatriots. I wonder if I can find a Persian who looks exactly like an Azeri Turk.

Finally, I can wholeheartedly say that noone here feels same afinity to Persians as Azeris. Of course not, rest assured we like Persians tons more than we do Azeris or Turks. OK? But I think and from the reactions your post recieve, your main thesis is either way over our head (as in my case) or completely in our blind spot.

[oslonor]

Re: Are there Persians in Iran?

ur saying the Islamic republic regime is Azeri? who are these 200,000 people that have been executed, give me a source to back uo what u say. the only part i can agree with u here is when u say "everybody in Iran agrees that this regime has no Iranian or Persian culture". I absolutely agree with that. But only in that this much hated bastard regime is so Muslim and pro-Arab and people hate that. So if its anything its promoting Arab culture, if in fact they were Azeri's in charge, they'de make heros out of people like Babak instead of trying to silence him and making people make heros of some bedouin Arab prophets like Ali and Hossein and whatever else.

So forgive me, but what am i missing, where is this Azeri connection. please enlighten me

Could you respond on the ethnic map? What is wrong with it?

[oslonor]

Re: Are there Persians in Iran?

You say that :

"i dont kno what ur motive is behind all of this but Azeris are Iranian people that had a change of language, this is common knowledge in Iran and accepted by all Azeris. They are Iranian peoples, of indo-european or aryan origins and not some tribal turkic people or whatever ur making them out to be"

This thread is exactly about this:
1. Iranian is a modern concept and creation.
2. Iranian is a meaningless term as it is used by Azeri Turks.
3. Azeri Turks should be described as Azeri turks. The term Iranian confuses the issues.
4. Read the link provided to understand the background:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/487760/thread/1155792804/last-1156493561/Are+there+Persians+in+Iran-

[Sean]

Re: Are there Persians in Iran?

ur saying the Islamic republic regime is Azeri? who are these 200,000 people that have been executed, give me a source to back uo what u say. the only part i can agree with u here is when u say "everybody in Iran agrees that this regime has no Iranian or Persian culture". I absolutely agree with that. But only in that this much hated bastard regime is so Muslim and pro-Arab and people hate that. So if its anything its promoting Arab culture, if in fact they were Azeri's in charge, they'de make heros out of people like Babak instead of trying to silence him and making people make heros of some bedouin Arab prophets like Ali and Hossein and whatever else.

So forgive me, but what am i missing, where is this Azeri connection. please enlighten me

[oslonor]

Re: Are there Persians in Iran?

with all due respect to u oslo, i really hope u dont say any of this stuff in front of an Iranian, they'll just laugh at u


my brother was a civil enginerring professor at "elmo sanat" university in tehran where Ahmadinejad was too, ive encountered and talked with him numerous times.i never got a trace of anything Azeri from him or any of the things u speak of. The reason I mention Russians is cuz the last couple of years theres been a migration of Russians to Tehran and because u can easily single them out and they are distinguishable, soon as u see the really pale skin and the natural blonde hair, its different from Azaris who are Iranian and look Iranian.


to hold political power?? come on man, im sorry but this just makes me laugh. maybe its cuz of the prejudices taht ive grown up with, but everyone in Iran has some sort of stereotype except the "persians" and the Azari one is, well letsjust say that they're not the brightest. if u ever come across an Iranian and ask em to tell u some Iranian jokes, at least 6 out of 10 times it will be about how dumb Azaris are, they are the centerpiece of many jokes, and they all begin with "Turke khare" mean taht dumb donkey Turk. they make these jokes about themselves too so its not really offensive, but its just utterly hilarious the thought of them being behind a huge conspiracy to take over Iran.

those Azeris in Iran are Iranians, of the same background as other Iranians, only because that part of the country was conquered and they were forced to speak another language they are now called Turks, not because they are genetically different. Egyptians werent genetically Arab, but since they were forced to speak Arabic people call them Arabs, but it doesnt mean they have any genetic links to the people of Saudi Arabia.

i dont kno what ur motive is behind all of this but Azeris are Iranian people that had a change of language, this is common knowledge in Iran and accepted by all Azeris. They are Iranian peoples, of indo-european or aryan origins and not some tribal turkic people or whatever ur making them out to be.

I should remind you of history of Iran.

1. The Azeri Turk Saffavids regime in 16 century, executed more than 70.000 persians only in Isfahan. They also killed millions of Zoarastrian and imposed the Shia religion on Iran.
2. The current Azeri Turk regime in Tehran has executed 200.000 people. It is still stoning people. Everybody in Iran agrees that this regime has no "Iranian" or "Persian" culture. Culturally they are related to primitive Turk tribes in Caucasus where they originate.

You should wake up from your daydream!!!!!

Also a question: You questioned the ethnic map. Can you explain more why you question the ethnic map of Iran?