The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

[HayotzAmrotz]

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Berezovsky & Co were the ones that brought Putin to power because they strongly believed and were absolutely confident that this Putin guy is a "yes" man, a Medvedev type of vegetable if you like.

Their "buy-and-sell" or better known as "zhid targash" (Russian for joo bazar trader) mentality could not have possibly accomodate and understand a noble motion such as love for Fatherland. They underestimated the quality of KGB education, they (like many others) thought that it's just another party propaganda tool of the Soviet education system without realizing that KGB (FSB, GRU, MNS) officers were, are and always will be the best defenders of their country because they are the true patriots.

[skhara]

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First, don't believe everything you read. Let me rephrase that. Read 'everything' that is relevant to a given topic and then juxtapose it to real world events and developments that you can observe. Second, use your objectivity and educated sense of reason. Third, everyone beats their own drums, so train yourself to read between the lines. Having said that, what you claimed is not all that unbelievable. I believe even Lugovoi, the suspected assassin of the former FSB agent turned British spy Litvinenko, was a member of Berezovsky's bodyguards. So, it would make sense that an important figure in Russia like Putin and the unofficial ruler of Russia, Berezovsky's, would have their paths crossed. The truth of the matter is that Russian nationalists, especially those within the interior ministry/FSB, were plotting the overthrow of the oligarchs and their drunk puppet, Yeltsin.

Yep -- that is what Paul Klebnikov alluded to. His point was that Putin associated with Berezovsky and led him to believe that he would be a controllable stooge like Yeltsin. In fact, Putin with his KGB/FSB group brilliantly played Berezovksy.

The whole situation is so analogous in my opinion when it comes to Bolshevism and the rise of Stalin. Meaning how you had all these Russian xxxery, backed by international xxxery looting and destroying Russia -- and Stalin came from their ranks and smashed the entire international xxxish Bolshevik movement.

[skhara]

Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

Berezovsky & Co were the ones that brought Putin to power because they strongly believed and were absolutely confident that this Putin guy is a "yes" man, a Medvedev type of vegetable if you like.

Their "buy-and-sell" or better known as "zhid targash" (Russian for joo bazar trader) mentality could not have possibly accomodate and understand a noble motion such as love for Fatherland. They underestimated the quality of KGB education, they (like many others) thought that it's just another party propaganda tool of the Soviet education system without realizing that KGB (FSB, GRU, MNS) officers were, are and always will be the best defenders of their country because they are the true patriots.

Sorry Hayotz, I didn't see your post before I posted and repeated some of the same things you said.

zhid targash

[HayotzAmrotz]

Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

The whole situation is so analogous in my opinion when it comes to Bolshevism and the rise of Stalin. Meaning how you had all these Russian xxxery, backed by international xxxery looting and destroying Russia -- and Stalin came from their ranks and smashed the entire international xxxish Bolshevik movement.

I agree with you, Stalin did get rid of the elite jooish bolsheviks (the trotskists) which was a good thing for Russia as the trotskists cared more about the utopian world socialism than USSR. But what Stalin did NOT do though was The Great Purge against the general population. The mastermind and organizer of the Great Purge was Lazar Kaganovich, a jooish maniac from Ukraine. Stalin, after destroying trotskists, became extremely paranoid thanks to relentless efforts of Kaganovich who made Stalin believe that his (Stalin's) life is under a grave threat effectively making him office bound and scared. Kaganovich's sister, who was both Stalin's mistress and doctor, also contibuted hugely to Stalin's paranoya. This allowed Lazar for many years to do literally anything he liked because Stalin would sometimes sign documents even without looking at them as long as Kaganovich presented them to him. But in June 1941, as soon as the war started, Stalin was back in force, which suprised Kaganovich and his sister enormously as they hoped Stalin's paranoya would eventually kill him and allow them to grab the power.

[Armenian]

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Berezovsky & Co were the ones that brought Putin to power because they strongly believed and were absolutely confident that this Putin guy is a "yes" man, a Medvedev type of vegetable if you like. Their "buy-and-sell" or better known as "zhid targash" (Russian for joo bazar trader) mentality could not have possibly accomodate and understand a noble motion such as love for Fatherland. They underestimated the quality of KGB education, they (like many others) thought that it's just another party propaganda tool of the Soviet education system without realizing that KGB (FSB, GRU, MNS) officers were, are and always will be the best defenders of their country because they are the true patriots.

You have an excellent perception on the matter, Hayots. Apres enker.

Yep -- that is what Paul Klebnikov alluded to. His point was that Putin associated with Berezovsky and led him to believe that he would be a controllable stooge like Yeltsin. In fact, Putin with his KGB/FSB group brilliantly played Berezovksy. The whole situation is so analogous in my opinion when it comes to Bolshevism and the rise of Stalin. Meaning how you had all these Russian xxxery, backed by international xxxery looting and destroying Russia -- and Stalin came from their ranks and smashed the entire international xxxish Bolshevik movement.

I agree. In my opinion, there are also some similarities between Russia's resurgence to that of Nazi Germany's rise to power. Let's just hope that this time the Russ don't ruin it for themselves in the end.

[Armenian]

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Putin hails Russia's success in New Year eve speech

Video: Russian President Vladimir Putin New Year's address: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYtAo...&oe=UTF-8&hl=e

Russian President Vladimir Putin hailed on Monday the achievement of his nation in 2007 and wished everyone success in his last New Year speech as president. "We not only restored our territorial integrity but also we felt united. These years we worked together in order to preserve our country and turn it into a modern, free and strong state, which may be convenient and comfortable for citizens' life," he said in a 5-minute speech broadcasted midnight on Monday. "We see that Russia has been strengthening every year. We see that our economy is growing and new opportunities are opening for the people," he said while a celebration was going on at the Red Square. "Let us wish each other new success and raise our glasses to the health and happiness of our relatives and to those we love and take care of most of all, and to whom we give our warmth and to whom we will be close," he said. "Let your longest dreams to come true," the Russian head of state said, receiving applause, cheers and the New Year bell rings on the square. Putin has pledged to step down after next March's presidential election. He has backed First Deputy Prime Minister Dmitri Medvedev to become his successor.

Source: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20...nt_7346045.htm

[crusader1492]

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Ter Pertossian bring Robert Kocharian in with the same expectation - that he was a "yes man".

That didn't work out for him too well.

[Armenian]

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Ter Pertossian bring Robert Kocharian in with the same expectation - that he was a "yes man". That didn't work out for him too well.

Yes, in a sense you are right. Robert Kocharian and Serj Sargisian moved up Petrosian's administration quite quietly. When they were ready they first got rid of the treasonous whore, Levon-Ter-Petrosian, and then they may have had a hand in, or at least some knowledge of, the operation that got rid of Vazgen Sargisian and Garen Demirjian - which was most probably a Kremlin operation.

[Armenian]

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I would not believe a single thing that traitorous moslem monkey jooo azzkissing lowlife says. He was just in israel before his death and there is mounting evidence that he was involved in trying to transfer radioactive substances to chechen terrorists.

There are no 'good guys' or 'bad guys' in politics. There are no 'friends' and there are no 'enemies' in geopolitics. And just because the opposition claims something it does not mean it's not true. None of us will know exactly how and by whom the Armenian Parliament assassinations were planned but what happened was in the interests of Moscow. Simple as that. So, let's stop looking at these matters in a naive/childish manner, this is not a family dispute nor is it a street fight. It does not require great faith to also believe that the FSB was somehow involved in terror operations in Russia in order to seize power under the guise of 'protecting the state from terrorism.' Living in post 9/11 America you should find all this very familiar...

Note: Regarding the terrorism that hit both Russia and America at the time, one of the fundamental differences between what happened was that in Russia elements within the government attempted to seize power from the ruling oligarchs, while in America elements within the government attempted to seize power from the people.

[jgk3]

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This reminds me of the New World Order theorists...

They believe that Putin is creating stability and some prosperity for Russians so they trust his government, so that in time, Russia can peacefully and quietly join the NWO, while at the same time, playing the bad guy role, just like in the Soviet-era so that the west can orient itself to a "common deadly threat" again.

Anyway, I think it's obvious that we shouldn't think of the NWO as a primary goal in all the government's endeavors. But sometimes I can't help but feel suspicion... That's why I like to take all this news with a grain of salt, and not become emotionally hung up about it. Just watch for the important developments, understand the trends, seeing how they affect everybody... I think that's the most sober approach.