The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

[robertik1]

Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

What a weird wish !

Whats really weird is why the xxxx your still here turdish xxxxx.

[Armanen]

Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

Whats really weird is why the xxxx your still here turdish xxxxx.

+1

[Illuminator]

Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

My thoughts are that Abkhazia and Ossetia will both soon be part of Russia in the sense that Russia will no longer shy away from claiming the regions; eventually both areas will receive official recognition as this reality sets in the international community. The Russians are going to beat the Georgians into submission and the Georgians will have no say.

At the same time, the Armenians in Javakh and Armenia itself must lay low and have a wait and see attitude towards Georgia. It depends on how organized the local Armenians are and how badly the Georgian military has been damaged. Javakh has an Armenian majority, has militias but is very poor and even though they have a border with Armenia, Armenia has been cautious and not giving them enough support, though economically Armenia might not be in a position to do anything at the moment.

They should also see what Azerbaijan does next related to recent events. Should Azerbaijan piss off Russia and support Georgia diplomatically and perhaps with volunteers, then Armenia can use this as leverage to request that the Russians recognize Artsakh as part of Armenia.
It is still unfortunately risky unless they have Russia's full support.

I have no doubt that the Armenian would be able to repel the Azeri force but am not sure about the success of a counter-attack where they would try to secure more territory.Yevlakh and Gendje would be a great prizes as they are the forward bases and supply centers for Azeri forces and would give the Armenians control of the pipeline and new railroad but at this stage, after years of defense building, mine laying, bobby traps, coordinated artillery grid, etc, the side that attacks the other stands to take very heavy casualties and will most likely lose.

I do NOT understand why you think Armenians should lay low now of all times. The Abkhazians opened up a 2nd front and the Armenians of Javakhk should open up a 3rd. ONLY TOGETHER can we defeat Georgia and there will never be a better or more opportune time now when Russian support is guaranteed.

Perhaps when the Americans have convinced Russia to back off then they should go for it on their own?

[RSNATION]

Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

What a weird wish !

How so? By destroying the pipeline, it ensures that Azerbaijan cannot use its oil revenue to build its army and threaten Armenia. It would be weird for Armenians not to want the BTC to be destroyed.

[Illuminator]

Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

Russia has to take a stand now. It's now or never. They weren't able to do this on Kosovo because they were weak and logistically it was impossible due to the distance. In this case, it's right on their doorstep, Russia is much more powerful and NATO weaker than in 1999, and Russia has to put a stop to Western predation on her territory and her interests.

Seeing what happened today, I am sad to think of the lives lost - Ossetian, Russian, or Georgian - but I think this will turn out to be one of the biggest, if not THE biggest, miscalculation/mistake the West made in a very long time. Russia may choose to essentially annex S. Ossetia and Abkazia, or even invade all of Georgia, depose Saakashvili, and pacify Georgia once and for all. Should Russia take control of Georgia, Armenia and Iran will be in a substantially better position, and the latter is something the West does not look upon with a friendly eye.

Not to mention that Russia taking firm control of that pipeline essentially ends all western/American attempts to circumvent Russian domination of gas and oil. The US will be begging for a drop or two...

I like that scene.

Want a drop? Repeat after me: Kosovo is Serbia
Want a drop? Repeat after me: No more missile shield
Want a drop? Back off NATO

[Illuminator]

Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

How so? By destroying the pipeline, it ensures that Azerbaijan cannot use its oil revenue to build its army and threaten Armenia. It would be weird for Armenians not to want the BTC to be destroyed.

I think they don't destroy the pipeline because they plan on owning it.

[RSNATION]

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I think they don't destroy the pipeline because they plan on owning it.

You could be right but it still leaves the issue of the Azeris getting revenue from it. That would be a shame.

[RSNATION]

Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

An Armenian Cossack volunteer!!! See below

http://www.theage.com.au/world/militia-men-line-up-to-get-revenge-20080811-3tmh.html

Militia men line up to get revenge
Dario Thuburn, Vladikavkaz, Russia
August 12, 2008
DRESSED in camouflage gear and jeans, young Russian men queued up outside a ramshackle recruitment centre that reeked of vodka to join the amateur militias flooding into South Ossetia.

As they prepared to set off from the Russian city of Vladikavkaz for combat in the rebel Georgian province behind columns of Russian tanks, unshaven militiamen said they were bent on revenge against Georgian troops.

"I came here because my brothers and sisters are being killed. I came here to get a weapon to go and fight," said Zaur Zangionov, a gangly 20-year-old student among the hundreds waiting outside the recruitment centre on Sunday.

Volunteers were being given the equivalent of $A450 to buy uniforms and were being issued with assault rifles, they said. They were also preparing to evacuate refugees and sift through rubble to find dead bodies in the area.

Asked about the financing, the numbers of militiamen being enrolled and whether their actions were co-ordinated with the Russian Army, the commanders of the militias at the Vladikavkaz recruitment centre declined to comment.

Judging by eyewitness reports, the volunteers could number in the thousands. Most came from North Ossetia, a Russian province inhabited by the same ethnic group as most of South Ossetia's residents. But many arrived from other parts of southern Russia and even Serbia, the commanders said.

"The Don Cossacks are coming today … We're trying to co-ordinate the flow. We've also got Abkhaz, Kabardins and Dagestanis," said Nertses Avetisyan, a Cossack working at the recruitment centre, referring to Caucasus ethnic groups.

The chaotic scenes in Vladikavkaz evoked memories of the early 1990s, when similar amateur militias were among the fiercest fighters in conflicts in Georgia as a result of which South Ossetia gained de facto independence.

[Kanki]

Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

Whats really weird is why the xxxx your still here Turkish xxxxx.

How so? By destroying the pipeline, it ensures that Azerbaijan cannot use its oil revenue to build its army and threaten Armenia. It would be weird for Armenians not to want the BTC to be destroyed.

BTC is not only belong to Azerbaijan and Georgia but also Turkey.
Today, Russian ambassador said that "Russia is liable for that."

Your timeserving is in vain and Turkey is Russia's one of the best trading friend.

[crusader1492]

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BTC is not only belong to Azerbaijan and Georgia but also Turkey.
Today, Russian ambassador said that "Russia is liable for that."

Your timeserving is in vain.

Russia is "liable" for following its own interests. Keeping the pipeline intact or blowing it up is entirely based on that regard. Turkey's crying about the situation will not sway Russia either way.

Anyway, after all is said and done, you can be assured that revenue/output produced by this pipeline (which gives less than 1% of the worlds oil ) will be greatly reduced.
Azerbaijan will find it very difficult buy spare parts for all the useless military hardware it has puchased over the years because of that.

...oh, and that railroad that supposed to be built from Azerbabaoonistan to Western Armenia...I don't think that's going to happen.

Btw, what the hell is "timeserving"?