The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

[Palavra]

Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

heh, they were in the past.

Why do I choose US and J E Ws ? ? ? It is very stupidly. Also United States provided Kurds to set up Kurdistan in North Iraq and gives money and weapon Pejak which is PKK's other wing. So they help PKK!

And you forget Russian help to PKK? You still did not show me any reason, what can we gain with allying russia and in where? balkain? kafkas? middle east? central asia?

[Kanki]

Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

Say it to my ass. Just one year before, They tried to make a coup and just one one weak before, They(This time with the help of courts) again tried to get AKP down.

I should also say, If army is not kemalist, they are not even 1% kemalist in Turkey. Not much important.

Anyway, What is relation with becoming a kemalist and becoming a pro-russian? is this a default?

Does Ergenokon represent all army ?

[Palavra]

Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

27 april? who is talking about ergenokon thing.

[Kanki]

Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

And you forget Russian help to PKK? You still did not show me any reason, what can we gain with allying russia and in where? balkain? kafkas? middle east? central asia?

I am living now, I am not living in past.

Look Nato countries, Denmark keeps pkk terrorists and keeps ROJ Tv.

France has negative politics about Turkey. United States behave Turkey, supposing like its national state or colony.

Why do I choose America ? Do I have to?

[Palavra]

Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

I am living now, I am not living in past.

Look Nato countries, Denmark keeps pkk terrorists and keeps ROJ Tv.

France has negative politics about Turkey. United States behave Turkey, supposing like its national state or colony.

Why do I choose America ? Do I have to?

Because, USA and our benefits at kafkas, balkan and central asia are almost same..(And our interest is totally against russian ones.)

Only It is different at middle east, and our politics in middle east is also different than russia.

By the way, USA and Denmark or France has no relation. No need to distord argument..

dont you find it interesting, PKK is just trying to attack BTC? just guess why? Because of USA?

[RSNATION]

Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

Pardon me, Why should armenians cause problems for BTC? what would gain armenians from this?

Its perplexing why you would even have to ask why.

[Palavra]

Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

Because, You are not only causing problem to turkey or azeris but europe and USA. So I cannot see, what can armenians gain from this?

[Illuminator]

Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

Several reasons:

1) Due to Armenia's bad economic and political health no serious effort has been taken to arm and/or organize the Armenian population in the region.

2) We don't know what the final outcome of the current war between Russia and Georgia will be. Getting directly involved may make Armenia totally isolated politically and economically.

3) Unlike in Nagorno Karabagh, Russia has never signalled that it would support Armenia's claims on Javakhq.

4) Armenia currently has serious domestic problems (Levon supporters, western pressure) and economic problems (transition economy, blockade, curruption, isolation, etc.)

5) Armenia endangering Georgia's south would force Turkey and Azerbaijan to get invlved, thereby triggering a wider international conflict.

6) While the case for Ossetia and Abkhazia has been made for many years, out case for Javakhq has remained out of international discussions.

Thus, expecting an Armenian front in Javakhq would be grossly unrealistic/foolish, at this point in time.

I understand what you're saying, but I have seen these guys and they are already heavily armed and even more so when the Russian base closed.

I don't see why their battle has to have anything to do with Armenia either directly or indirectly.

But it's time for them to go after it, Russia is listening.

[RSNATION]

Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

Because, You are not only causing problem to turkey or azeris but europe and USA. So I cannot see, what can armenians gain from this?

Much. Azerbaijan is using oil revenue to bolster its military in hopes of invading Artsakh. The destruction of BTC will obviate that problem immensely for Armenia. Any misfortune for the Azeris is beneficial to us.

Since Turkey is actively blockading Armenia, Armenians would like nothing more that for Turkey to suffer too by the pipelines destruction {as you know from recent events, we are not the only ones}. Karma.

Although the Europeans and US would not be thrilled, the BTC only meets 1% of their oil need and rest comes from Russia, North Sea, Nigeria and so forth; BTC is a drop in the ocean so to speak. For the US and Europeans, the pipeline is mostly a political venture to isolate Armenia and anger Russia which it has done but the chickens are coming home to roost.

I reckon that the current conflict in Georgia is going to give the Armenians in Javakh the impetus and motivation to do something about this.

[Palavra]

Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

It would be stupid to armenians rebel at javakh. If Russia gain this conflict(Yes, she can gain war, but gaining conflict is different.), destiny of javakh armenians are done or do you think, Russia will enter georgia again?

USA will retreat again because cost of retreating would much high(If georgia totally destroyed, noone will take USA serious anymore but Russia still did not occupy georgia. So It looks like, Russia also know her limits.)

Of course, This is only my ideas. You can just go try.


By the way, 1% is realy a big part. Should I remind you, Turkey is not even third or fourth biggest invester to BTC. Just guess who is first four..

You can harm azerbaijan with attacking BTC but It is nonsense. Azeris always gain more money from you. You cannot flip flop it.. Armenian cannot gain an economic war. So why will you harm your political and diplomatical war for something you cannot gain?