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The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

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  • Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

    Originally posted by karoaper View Post
    Did you just call the most realistic modern combat flight sim a "game"? It's a sim created by a savvy Russian group of scientists and programmers. The mathematical flight simulation model is out of this world.
    Sorry dude, it's still make believe.

    The info about the missiles was not just taken from the sim though. Here's a site dedicated to missiles, it's from fas.org,
    I familiar with the site, many of my links are from there.

    but the info is corroborated in other sources. All the Russian air-to-air missiles require the launch aircraft to update course information at best, and a complete initial radar guidance form the launch aircraft at worst. Usually, the launch airplane then would have to maintain at least a 60 degree angle with the target, until the missile's own radar guidance takes over. Meanwhile, the American is completely launch-and-leave. This means that their pilots can launch and immediately evade or engage another target even if it's on the other side.
    I never argued this fact. However, the Soviets did not trust such fire-and-forget systems because they greatly increase the risks of friendly fire incidents. Also, as I tried to explain, the Soviets wanted simpler more affordable weapons systems for mass production and export purposes. None of this however means that they did not have the technology to produce fire-and-forget weapons. And the political chaos of the 90s did set them back a bit.

    Nonetheless, take into consideration the medium range Active/Passive radar guided AA-12 Adder (see picture below, the red middle missile on the SU-30 wing). The air-to-air missile in question is similar to the American Amraam, its fire and forget. And, in fact, the AA-12 can hit target much farther than the Amraam. And the AA-12's development was begun in the early 80s, so its not new to the Russians.



    Also consider the highly maneuverable short range Infra Red AA-11 Archer, amongst the best in its kind (the wig tip outboard missiles on the SU-34):



    Now, the radar of the 4th generation Russian planes might very likely be on par or better than the American planes, but both Mig29 and Su27 of the early 90s had radar inferior to the F15, which by the way didn't match either the Su or Mig in other aspects, including the electro-optical aiming system. The Russian "Shkval" system was top notch.
    Their avionics, electronics, computers, radars, etc, have improved greatly during the past ten years or so. I think the new radar systems on board the late model Migs and SUs are superior to the ones in the west, at least that is what experts say.

    Also, consider their most dangerous anti-ship missiles on earth - the Moskit (Sunburn) and the Yakhont (Onyx) both can be fired from several combat aircrafts as well as various types of ships and land vehicles:

    Moskit



    Yakhont



    And as you have pointed out, Shkval, the high speed underwater missile/torpedo is simply legendary:

    Shkval



    And there is also the high speed long range anti-AWACS missile called the Novator KS-172 AAM-L:

    Novator



    And I did not even begin to talk about the S-300s and the S-400s.
    Last edited by Armenian; 07-07-2007, 06:48 PM.
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    • Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

      Armenian, the AA-12 does indeed have longer range, but it's not launch-and-leave.

      The AA-12 has rectangular narrow span wings and a distinctive set of four rectangular control surfaces at the rear. similar to the configuration used on the terminal control fins of the SS-21 'Scarab' and SS-23 'Spider' ballistic missiles. These unique control surfaces feature reduced flow separation at high angles of attack, producing greater aerodynamic moment force than conventional control surfaces. The missile's guidance is inertial with mid-course updates from the launch aircraft, followed by a terminal active radar phase from an acquisition range of about 20 kilometers. Development of the missile is believed to have begun around in 1982.
      Also, the Russians may or may not have had the technology, but the launch-and-leave capability is a definite advantage, though a good Russian aircraft pilot can probably negate most of that advantage. As far as the infrared missiles, the Russian "Archer" is indeed amazing, as is the passive homing and target acquisition technology of the Russian aircraft.

      I actually didn't know about "Shkval" the torpedo. Looks deadly. The "Shkval" I mentioned is actually the name of the electro-optical target acquisition system in the Russian combat aircraft.
      Last edited by karoaper; 07-07-2007, 06:49 PM.

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      • Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

        Originally posted by karoaper View Post
        Armenian, the AA-12 does indeed have longer range, but it's not launch-and-leave.
        It is fire-and-forget according to many sites I have been reading, such as this one: http://warfare.ru/?linkid=2356&catid=262

        I think the information you posted was about the R-77, the predecessor to the AA-12 AMRAAMski.

        I actually didn't know about "Shkval" the torpedo. Looks deadly.
        I thought you meant the underwater missile. The Shkval has been sending shock-waves throughout western naval agencies. No submarine on earth can escape it, and no one in the west has been able to figure out how the missile functions. Some say that the sinking of the Kursk had to do with American and British intelligence attempting to gather intelligence on the Shkval.

        Watch this very interesting video presentation called Russian Navy - Secrets of the Kursk:

        Part-I http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5BdJcb3iSg
        Part-II http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d3Pv...elated&search=
        Last edited by Armenian; 07-07-2007, 07:44 PM.
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        • Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

          That's really interesting. I suppose the next time Russians won't xxxx around when western submarines are around.

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          • Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

            I forgot to include perhaps the finest close air support aircraft in the world today, the flying tank SU-25TM (aka SU-39).

            SU-25TN



            Sukhoi Su-25 Frogfoot (Russia) (video): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4CLqwLxroQ

            Su-25 Sentry Lion 2006(video): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZFQJ...elated&search=

            Info: http://www.airshow.ru/expo/412/prod_211.htm
            Info: http://www.aero-enthusiast.com/AC%20data/Su-25TM39.html

            Su-39 sniper-aircraft

            The Su-39 sniper aircraft Is Intended to operate In Air-to-Air and Air-to-Surface modes and to implement the missions, perfomanse of which by ofher strike facticl purpose platforms Is almost Impossible. On Customer request, the aircraft can be equipped with imported avionics.

            The Su-39 peculiar features:

            Round-the-clock performance at active counteraction of the enemy air defense, under simple and adverse weather conditions; sighting through the on-board optical-television 23-times zoom system or through the radar sighting device:
            - detection and destruction of moving targets such as tanks, speed boats or helicopters with 0,9 probability;
            - autonomous detection and destruction of warships, from high-speed boats and up to torpedo-boat destroyers;
            - destruction of modern air defense platforms in any of their operation modes;
            - Self protection against fighters and Air-to-Air close combat;
            - High maneuverability at low and medium altitudes;
            - Operation from mountains airfields with runway elevation up to 3000 m;
            - Almost 100 % protection of pilots and all vital aircraft systems against destruction by 30 mm caliber of cannon armament and its splinters.
            The Su-39 aircraft provides application of the following:

            Air-to-Surface` weapons:

            - Missiles with laser homing with accuracy 0,5 m at targets up to 10 km away and universal aircraft weapons
            - antitank guided missile `Vihre` (16 pieces);
            - Antiship, antiradar and TV-homing missiles;
            - Corrected bombs with TV-homing.

            Air-to-Air` weapons:

            - Close-in and long-distance missiles with active and semi-active seekers; with IR-guidance seekers.

            Unguided weapons:

            - Bombs, rockets and built-in cannon of 30 mm caliber.
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            • Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

              Originally posted by skhara View Post
              karo, couldn't the Mig-29s be outfitted with the launch and leave type setup too? I'm not really all that educated on technical aspects of fighter aircraft.
              Oh the discussion about the missiles has nothing to do with the jets. Certainly you could put anything you wanted on the jets. In fact, the jets are simply weapon platforms so you can put a giant anti-ship missile on them if you wanted.

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              • Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

                Here's the episode on the Russian Gyumri base. Overall the relationship is reported to be very warm. When asked where they would spend their holidays, all soldiers said here in Armenia (of course many are Armenians contractors).

                Blog and pics: http://pilot.strizhi.info/2007/01/03/1552
                Video: http://pilot.strizhi.info/2007/02/28/2964 (click on the first link under the pic that says "Сюжет тут")

                Also, a small miniblog about the base on the border between Armenia and Turkey.
                Part 1: http://pilot.strizhi.info/2007/05/01/3156#more-3156

                Part 2:http://pilot.strizhi.info/2007/05/01/3170#more-3170
                Last edited by karoaper; 07-08-2007, 04:27 PM.

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                • Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

                  Great find karo. By the way, is this fella a soldier in the Russian contingent?

                  I'm glad to hear that the people in Gyumri, treat these young troopers very well.

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                  • Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

                    Originally posted by karoaper View Post
                    Here's the episode on the Russian Gyumri base...
                    Outstanding work young comrade! Your selfless efforts on the Turkish front have been recognized by high command. As a result we are please to announce that you have been selected to receive this medal for Combat Service. The Medal for Combat Service is awarded for skillful, original and brave action in performance of military duties, for keeping the army in military preparedness and for service rendered in protection of the country's borders.

                    {pins medal upon Karo's chest}

                    {applause}

                    The video presentation of the Russian 102nd base in Gyumri is located in Youtube as well. I was going to post it later when I highlighted Russian land forces, you beat me to it.

                    Russian 102nd Military Base // Gyumri // Armenia: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noqMHlYYNrc
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                    • Re: The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

                      Originally posted by Armenian View Post
                      Outstanding work young comrade! Your selfless efforts on the Turkish front have been recognized by high command. As a result we are please to announce that you have been selected to receive this medal for Combat Service. The Medal for Combat Service is awarded for skillful, original and brave action in performance of military duties, for keeping the army in military preparedness and for service rendered in protection of the country's borders.

                      {pins medal upon Karo's chest}

                      {applause}
                      Lol, dude you're a piece of work, you know that, as they say "demk es"!

                      Thanks for the medal though bro. Important thing is I've got a better medal than tovarish Skhara!
                      Last edited by karoaper; 07-09-2007, 10:57 AM.

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