The Rise of the Russian Empire: Russo-Armenian Relations

[Lucin]

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A little too pessimistic. But I wonder what those sneaking Russians are up to...

Heaven knows... Mr. Lavrov makes it sound as if this is an issue that should be resolved by Armenians in the first place, meaning that giving up territories to Azeris or making some concessions are worth it because in such a scenario Turkey will open its borders and let the isolated Armenia "prosper"... Please note his imposing tone as well: "Armenia has few options...", "Armenia should be keenly interested in a Karabakh resolution...", etc.

It is clear to me that any peace resolution for Arstakh issue set as a precondition (obviously imposed by the Turks) to open the borders, would not be in the interest of Armenia.

Karabakh Peace Precondition to turkey Relations, Echoes Lavrov

MOSCOW (Combined Sources)--In an interview published Tuesday Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, who visited Armenia Friday, echoed Turkey's calls for an immediate resolution of the Karabakh conflict prior to the establishment of diplomatic relations between Turkey and Armenia.

"It [Armenia] really has few geographic and political options. As soon as the Nagorno-Karabakh settlement becomes a fact, Turkey will be ready to help Armenia forge normal links with the outside world, naturally through the establishment of diplomatic relations between Ankara and Yerevan," said Lavrov who was interviewed by a "Rossiiskaya Gazeta" reporter late last week as he flew to Yerevan to meet with Armenia's President Serzh Sarkisian and Foreign Minister Eduard Nalbandian. After the talks with Nalbandian he sounded cautiously optimistic about prospects for a breakthrough in the Karabakh peace process.


He stressed the importance of a Nagorno-Karabakh resolution and the normalization of Turkish-Armenian relations for Armenia's security and economic development.

According to Lavrov, Armenia should be keenly interested in a Karabakh resolution in the wake of the crisis in Georgia which he said exposed "the vulnerability of its position" and highlighted the importance of having an open border with Turkey. "Armenia has huge difficulties communicating with the outside world," he said. "It is in the fundamental interests of the Armenian people to unblock this situation as soon as possible.

Lavrov said that after the Russian-Georgian crisis, Turkey saw the "uniqueness of the moment" and the role it can play, as a neighbor to the Caucasus region to broker and actively involve itself in fostering stability in the region. [...]

[Armanen]

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http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=C7yjCaCQPO8&feature=related

I love the symbolism.

[meline]

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He is defintely a politician not to mess with. And one of the few leaders of all times who managed to changed the global political landscape to the benefit of their country.

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http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=C7yjCa...eature=related

I love the symbolism.

What symbolisms? It's a bithday present.



Happy Birthday, Vladimir Vladimirovich!




Tuesday, Oct 7, 2008

Vladimir Putin has celebrated his birthday by launching a martial arts instruction DVD in which the Russian prime minister shares his love of judo with the world.

Let's Learn Judo with Vladimir Putin was greeted with rapturous acclaim after its premiere in St Petersburg on the eve of the prime minister's birthday.
Mr Putin may have turned 56, but anyone watching the video will have been left in little doubt that this is a man whose virility and nimble dexterity remain so potent that he could lead Russia for years to come without flagging.
The prime minister, who is judo black belt, first gives viewers a history of the martial art before going on to demonstrate a series of throws and holds.
"The name of the sport – the gentle way – reveals Judo's fundamental principle: an opportunity to gain the upper hand by soft but effective actions," Mr Putin tells viewers.

Speaking at the film's premiere on Monday evening, Mr Putin was modest about his role, saying that viewers would gain real insight into the sport from the Japanese and Russian specialists who were his co-presenters.

WATCH VIDEO -- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...-judo-DVD.html

Judo black belt Putin shows off moves in DVD

By IRINA TITOVA
Associated Press Writer


Vladimir Putin is out on video as a judo master. Russian state-controlled media already have shown the powerful prime minister at the wheel of massive racing truck, shirtless on a fishing excursion, and tracking a tiger through the Siberian forest - just a few of the he-man presentations designed to boost his public image.

On Tuesday, he presented an instructional judo DVD that bears his name and shows him throwing an opponent to the mat.
"Let's Learn Judo with Vladimir Putin" is the product of collaboration between Putin - a black belt - and other judo enthusiasts, including former World and Olympic judo champion Yasuhiro Yamaxxxxa. It apparently was privately made and intended mainly for Russians studying judo.
Early Tuesday morning, minutes into his 56th birthday, Putin talked about the video at a presentation before journalists and other guests at a state-owned venue. Putin said the video's title was little more than an "advertising trick." Anyone who watches it "will be learning not from your humble servant but from real geniuses" of the martial art, he said.

http://www.kansascity.com/451/story/829972.html

[Armanen]

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The lessons Putin learned from judo and how he applied to political and diplomatic life.

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Poll Confirms Pro-Russian Sentiment In Armenia

By Armen Zakarian

An opinion poll made public by a private Yerevan-based think-tank on Friday showed Russia topping the list of countries that are considered friendly by the majority of Armenians. Researchers from the Armenian Center for National and International Studies (ACNIS) said 89.2 percent of 2,000 people randomly polled by them across the country described Russia as a friendly nation. They said France comes second in the rankings with almost three-quarters of the respondents thinking well of it.

According to the survey results, only 46.8 percent described the United States as Armenia’s friend, while neighboring Iran got almost 50 percent support. They show that Georgia is perceived to be more neutral than friendly by Armenians. The ACNIS pollsters said 77 percent of them stand for a deepening of Armenia’s already close relations with Russia. Just over half and one third of them would like stronger ties with the European Union and the U.S respectively.

This contrasts sharply with the findings of a parallel survey of political and economic experts conducted by the ACNIS. The vast majority of them want closer links with the West rather than Russia. Only about one fifth of the experts interviewed by the think-tank support the continued presence of the Russian military base in Armenia. Forty percent said they would be happy to see both Russian and NATO bases stationed in Armenian territory.

Predictably, Armenia’s two other neighbors, Azerbaijan and Turkey, were overwhelmingly identified as “enemies,” with 91 percent and 78 percent of the ordinary respondents subscribing to that view respectively. About half of them considered the threat of a new war with Azerbaijan to be the main challenge to Armenia’s national security.

The poll also suggests that less than half of ordinary Armenians explicitly support the reopening of their country’s border with Turkey, according to the ACNIS survey. About as many of them believe that a full reconciliation between the two peoples is impossible without Turkish recognition of the 1915 genocide of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire. Furthermore, 56.3 percent said the Turks are capable of committing another genocide and should not be trusted.

(Photolur archive: Russian border guards marching in their base in Gyumri, Armenia.)

Source: http://www.armenialiberty.org/armeni...43CA3DCC33.asp

That's interesting. . . Turkey doesn't see Armenia as an enemy country.
By the way, what was the exact Armenian population before the 1915 events ?

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That's interesting. . . Turkey doesn't see Armenia as an enemy country.
By the way, what was the exact Armenian population before the 1915 events ?

What events are you talking about? The world's fair, the olympics...maybe a haunted hayride?

[Armenian]

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Heaven knows... Mr. Lavrov makes it sound as if this is an issue that should be resolved by Armenians in the first place, meaning that giving up territories to Azeris or making some concessions are worth it because in such a scenario Turkey will open its borders and let the isolated Armenia "prosper"... Please note his imposing tone as well: "Armenia has few options...", "Armenia should be keenly interested in a Karabakh resolution...", etc. It is clear to me that any peace resolution for Arstakh issue set as a precondition (obviously imposed by the Turks) to open the borders, would not be in the interest of Armenia.

Lucin jan, Armenia is not a major economic, political or military power. Azerbaijan will always have the edge over Armenia in the region due to its geography and petrodollars. Thus, regardless of who won the war, sooner or later Armenia will most probably have to give up some of the territories taken outside of Nagorno Karabagh proper. I have no doubt Artsakh proper is safe. Naturally, my biggest worry is the region west of Artsakh - Karvajar and Berdzor. According to what we are seeing on the ground, no such concession is in the works. What we are seeing is a diplomatic chess game being played by Moscow. Ever since Georgia's defeat, Moscow has been trying to strike a peace deal between Azerbaijan and Armenia and reconciliation between Armenia and Turkey. Moscow wants to be the sole power broker in the region. Nonetheless, we are not privy to the details of what is occurring behind the scenes in Moscow, Ankara, Yerevan or Baku. But something is definitely in the works. Several years from now we'll see its outcome.

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What events are you talking about? The world's fair, the olympics...maybe a haunted hayride?

I am talking about mass killings.

[Armanen]

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I am talking about mass killings.

Mass killings of Armenians by turks; otherwise known as the Armenian Genocide?