Armenian-Turkish Relations

[Armanen]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

It's not 'cuz he's a xxx, he just realizes Turkey isn't going to have a nuclear war over a tiny strip of land like that.


EDIT: I just noticed Greece is colored in on that map....yeah right. There's no way any of the other European countries are going to let Turkey get in that far, they're already infested with Muslims in their major cities and the idea of any more Muslims on that land would give them seizures.

What you claim and what I claim are just as probable. It could be either, both or none. Unless one of us has talked to the man, or has some evidence, then all either of them are are claims.

[Muhaha]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

If all those countries come under turkish rule, highly unlikely, israel will as well.

Friedman makes good analysis of current events, but I think he let his imagination or dreams run too much when he wrote his latest book.

BTW: Friedman is a joo. So no surprise why he would 'predict' a powerful turkey and exclude israel from the conquered lands.

It's not 'cuz he's a xxx, he just realizes Turkey isn't going to have a nuclear war over a tiny strip of land like that.


EDIT: I just noticed Greece is colored in on that map....yeah right. There's no way any of the other European countries are going to let Turkey get in that far, they're already infested with Muslims in their major cities and the idea of any more Muslims on that land would give them seizures.

[Armanen]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

If all those countries come under turkish rule, highly unlikely, israel will as well.

Friedman makes good analysis of current events, but I think he let his imagination or dreams run too much when he wrote his latest book.

BTW: Friedman is a joo. So no surprise why he would 'predict' a powerful turkey and exclude israel from the conquered lands.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

George Friedman predicts the Rise of Neo-Ottomanism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmcfxVEwt0I&feature=player_embedded

So WW1 was useless and our ancestors were exiled and massacred for nothing. Shame. Hey... why isn't Israel coloured..

[Catharsis]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

George Friedman predicts the Rise of Neo-Ottomanism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmcfxVEwt0I&feature=player_embedded

[londontsi]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

I would say let them continue as long we've got Russia and the Us supporting us they can do what ever they like.

Your phraseology is wrong.
You are implying we have Russia in our pockets.

As we all know its very much the other way round.

As for US they are scared of Turkey, proof? all you have to do is look at USes respond to Turkish threats.

[AlphaPapa]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Waited? I don't think so. It was Enver's own destructive leadership that voluntarily dragged the Ottoman Empire into a war it had no business being in. The Germans and Allies played Enver like a royal fool that inevitably led to dire consequences for citizens of the empire. I only wish someone had knocked him off prior to start of WW1..........

ww1 was the first war for oil.

ww2 was the second.

before control of air meant military domination, it was naval power and at the time all advanced naval ships were converting to oil powered engines...as well as aeroplanes, tanks, and other potential for energy.

oil was, at that time, what nuclear power is today.

that's why foreigners tried so hard to strong arm the ottomans so much...and it was that type of foreign influence that created both 'revolutionaries' in the north-east as well as the turkish nationalism that the arf, turks, and others supported.

dont credit any of the pashas too much, for they weren't kings/queens but pawns at most once the war started.

[Muhaha]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Socialist Deputy Uras Urges Better Relations With Armenia

Deputy for the Freedom and Solidarity Party (ÖDP) Ufuk Uras said, “The steps taken because of the soccer match between Turkey and Armenia should be a beginning of a new era” and he listed a series of demands to improve the conditions of the Armenian citizens of Turkey.

Getting ready to go to Erivan for the game, Uras urged for the opening of the border and the development of the economic relations between the two countries.

“Our Armenian citizens should feel themselves as the equal citizens of this country; they should not face any discrimination in social life, especially in public life.”

“The history should be discussed freely; all the restriction should be removed. An atmosphere of discussion without any prejudices should be encouraged.”

President Abdullah Gül too is flying to Erivan to watch the game as the guest of Armenian President Serj Sarkisyan. Two presidents will also use this occasion to discuss some important matters.

Criticizing the opposition of the Republican People’s Party (CHP) and the Nationalist Movement Party (MHP), Uras said the following:

“Racing to prove who the best nationalist is cannot be part of the democratic mentality. Arguing for no-solution in the Armenian problem will bring no peace to the region.” (EÜ/TB)

http://www.bianet.org/english/minorities/109555-socialist-deputy-uras-urges-better-relations-with-armenia

[AlphaPapa]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

I have cause to be pessimistic. I am aware of what our potential is, both as a wealthy, powerful diaspora and as a well educated, potent Hayastan. My criticism isn't against our country or our people, rather, our 'leadership'.

I also refuse to exempt Armenians from the norms of 'leadership' battles of other similar countries, especially when the domestic claims of corruption aren't very different. I view Hayastan with the same lens as I do Romania, Bulgaria, Belorussia, Ukraine, Georgia and especially Russia.

We can overcome. We simply need leaders willing to stand against them. All we have today is Levon doing his casper the friendly ghost imitation and the ARF (and all that is within that particular ball of wax).

Without dealing with our own short-comings, we will never be able to deal with our superpower neighbor, in politics, economics, or anything.

[Jos]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Turkey waited for a war, so they can do the genocide.

Waited? I don't think so. It was Enver's own destructive leadership that voluntarily dragged the Ottoman Empire into a war it had no business being in. The Germans and Allies played Enver like a royal fool that inevitably led to dire consequences for citizens of the empire. I only wish someone had knocked him off prior to start of WW1..........