Armenian-Turkish Relations

[UYA]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

If the Armenian-Turkish Protocols (in their current format) are signed by Tuesday, October 13, 2009, it would forever alter the course of the Armenian history. It would forever be a day of defeat and misery. This is THE TEST of the Armenian people... However we phrase it, internal mistakes are curable, but fiascos in international politics are permanent. -Aroutin Hartounian

At 5:00 pm, on Sunday, September 27, 2009 join Unified Young Armenians, Armenian Revolutionary Federation, Social Democrat Hunchakian Party, and Armenian Democrat Liberal Ramgavar Party in protesting the proposed Armenian-Turkish Protocols. Let's make sure our children don't remember October 13, 2009 as the Black Tuesday of the Armenian Nation's history!!!

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

If the Armenian-Turkish Protocols (in their current format) are signed by Tuesday, October 13, 2009, it would forever alter the course of the Armenian history. It would forever be a day of defeat and misery. This is THE TEST of the Armenian people... However we phrase it, internal mistakes are curable, but fiascos in international politics are permanent. -Aroutin Hartounian

At 5:00 pm, on Sunday, September 27, 2009 join Unified Young Armenians, Armenian Revolutionary Federation, Social Democrat Hunchakian Party, and Armenian Democrat Liberal Ramgavar Party in protesting the proposed Armenian-Turkish Protocols. Let's make sure our children don't remember October 13, 2009 as the Black Tuesday of the Armenian Nation's history!!!

Thats just silly how could it possibly alter the course of history? We do not possess western Armenia and we will not possess it anytime soon so what would be so black about it? The permanent part really makes me laughf, the german russian allience in the begining of WW2 was permanent right? I mean it was a paper that was sighned and everything right? The serves treaty is permanent right? Like a bunch of important people got togather and like wrote something right? It is the strong who determine what document is valid and which is not, the documents themselves have no power unless they are enforced by the strong. Armenia will not get nor should it expect justice untill it is strong enoughf to get it itself. Open borders will strengthen Armenia which is what we should be worried about instead of stupid documents which have no effect on anything anyways. The only black part of history these people will be reading about later is how they took a rare oppertunity to do something good for Armenia and trashed it along with our nations and peoples future. The protocals can be changed and fine tuned before sighning so what you see now may not be exactly what you get but seriously people when do you honestly think Armenia will be able to end its isolation if it does not take advantage of this rare oppertunity which mentions absolutely nothing about kharabagh!

[londontsi]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Thats just silly how could it possibly alter the course of history? We do not possess western Armenia and we will not possess it anytime soon so what would be so black about it?

I find your comments silly. Your comments have no depth and your view is very blinkered. You you think opening the borders is a panacea.
The reason we can demand Western Armenia in 2009 is because we demanded in 1960 and 1970 and 1980 and 1990 and 2000.

It is the strong who determine what document is valid and which is not, the documents themselves have no power unless they are enforced by the strong. Armenia will not get nor should it expect justice untill it is strong enoughf to get it itself.

Open borders will strengthen Armenia which is what we should be worried about instead of stupid documents which have no effect on anything anyways. The only black part of history these people will be reading about later is how they took a rare oppertunity to do something good for Armenia and trashed it along with our nations and peoples future.

So according to you Turkey will open the borders so that Armenia become stronger to be able to fight Turkey.

The protocals can be changed and fine tuned before sighning so what you see now may not be exactly what you get but seriously people when do you honestly think Armenia will be able to end its isolation if it does not take advantage of this rare oppertunity which mentions absolutely nothing about kharabagh!

Do not count on it. The Turks are just as dynamic with their foreign policy and more skilled and powerful.
The conditions in the protocol didn't just fall off the sky.
You have to re-read Oskanian's words (posted above) carefully and try to understand what he is saying.
I am sure Oskanian is not silly.

[Krdakan]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

I find your comments silly. Your comments have no depth and your view is very blinkered. You you think opening the borders is a panacea.
The reason we can demand Western Armenia in 2009 is because we demanded in 1960 and 1970 and 1980 and 1990 and 2000.




So according to you Turkey will open the borders so that Armenia become stronger to be able to fight Turkey.



Do not count on it. The Turks are just as dynamic with their foreign policy and more skilled and powerful.
The conditions in the protocol didn't just fall off the sky.
You have to re-read Oskanian's words (posted above) carefully and try to understand what he is saying.
I am sure Oskanian is not silly.

Common it is hopless...haykakan is paid for that primitive proserj propaganda....

[Gavur]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

The reason we can demand Western Armenia in 2009 is because we demanded in 1960 and 1970 and 1980 and 1990 and 2000.

A true statement.

[Gavur]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

You don't understand, our claims is not represented by our or any government.We are the diaspora and we remain a political force as American Armenians, the people your government goes to bed with are our public servants (who are corrupt) and we have an unofficial but resonating voice that will not let your state sleep soundly, until they come to terms and take responsibility. The deal you make with Eastern Armenia is your business, but take care.

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

We have been demanding it for almost a century and what are the results? A bunch of rich xxxs and polititions thats what. We are pissing our money and power away battleing for things we cannot possibly get that way while Armenia is left in isolation and its progression is retarded due to unrealistic politics in the diaspora. The diaspora needs to stop chasing its own tale and open its eyes to reality. What possible good does it do to demand the same thing over and over again, never getting what you want while your enemy sits there and laughfs at you incompetence. It is time to shift gears and try something that just maybe might work instead of pushing a immovable wall for generations. Krdakan the primitive ones are those who keep doing things that don't work but never learn nor adapt. Sometimes i do feel like i should be paid for doing this but i only do it because i am pationate about Armenia and its future and it upsets me greatly when i see the armenians in the diaspora throwing away their hard earned money into a process that has never gotten them a single thing that counts and never will.

[Eddo211]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

To the guy whose post just got deleted:

We are not ready yet to take control of Western Armenia……..the day (century, if it must) will come. The treaty according to some people doesn’t mean anything so why worry, Western Armenia is yours, for now.

DO NOT loose the land to the Kurds……..we have unfinished business.

[Gavur]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

WeIts not a very good reason to try something, so it'll be different, just for difference sake.

[Gavur]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Like all the Armenians everywhere in the world (including Armenia) are shouting to all the governments involved, the deal (stinks and is slimy) and we don't accept the Turkish governments conditions as its dictated to all of us. its up to you to hear