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  • #1331
    Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

    At last the Armenian Foreign Ministry has decided to speak through its deputy FM.

    As usual they speak double Dutch.

    What does "The current situation is a result of war, not occupation" mean.


    1. We ready to give back once the war condition is over

    OR

    2. There was war and you lost it, ( same as you gambled and lost out?)


    http://news.am/en/news/7057.html


    Current situation-result of war: Kirakosyan


    Turkish leadership statement that Armenian-Turkish border will not open till Karabakh conflict is settled differs from that on the paper, RA Deputy Foreign Minister Arman Kirakosyan told the journalists in Baku. According to him, the Protocols are the outcome of two countries’ accord to settle the relations without preconditions.

    Kirakosyan also commented on Protocols’ discussion in Turkish Parliament, underlining that internal procedures are already initiated in Armenia.

    RA Deputy Foreign Minister stated that Armenia-Turkey rapprochement and Karabakh conflict settlement are separate processes: “Armenia-Turkey relations are those between the two sovereign states and legally have nothing to do with Karabakh peace process. Thus, if all goes without a hitch after the signing and ratification, the borders will open.”

    As for Armenia-Azerbaijan talks, Kirakosyan said that the process is in progress. “The Presidents had seven meetings to date, which is a positive trend. The principles proposed by OSCE Minsk Group Co-Chairs are being discussed. The talks proceed constructively and positively,” Kirakosyan said, adding that in resolution process what matters – is the result. According to him, once the parties reach an agreement on core principles of the settlement, “the talks will proceed to the final stage.”

    In response to Azerbaijani journalist’s question about the liberation of “occupied Azerbaijani territories” by Armenia, Kirakosyan said:

    "The current situation is a result of war, not occupation.
    Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
    Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
    Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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    • #1332
      Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

      Turks say the genocide was also a result of war.. lol at how similar politicians are

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      • #1333
        Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

        Originally posted by Army View Post
        Turks say the genocide was also a result of war.. lol at how similar politicians are
        Turkey waited for a war, so they can do the genocide.

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        • #1334
          Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

          Originally posted by jgk3 View Post
          Turkey waited for a war, so they can do the genocide.
          Waited? I don't think so. It was Enver's own destructive leadership that voluntarily dragged the Ottoman Empire into a war it had no business being in. The Germans and Allies played Enver like a royal fool that inevitably led to dire consequences for citizens of the empire. I only wish someone had knocked him off prior to start of WW1..........

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          • #1335
            Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

            I have cause to be pessimistic. I am aware of what our potential is, both as a wealthy, powerful diaspora and as a well educated, potent Hayastan. My criticism isn't against our country or our people, rather, our 'leadership'.

            I also refuse to exempt Armenians from the norms of 'leadership' battles of other similar countries, especially when the domestic claims of corruption aren't very different. I view Hayastan with the same lens as I do Romania, Bulgaria, Belorussia, Ukraine, Georgia and especially Russia.

            We can overcome. We simply need leaders willing to stand against them. All we have today is Levon doing his casper the friendly ghost imitation and the ARF (and all that is within that particular ball of wax).

            Without dealing with our own short-comings, we will never be able to deal with our superpower neighbor, in politics, economics, or anything.
            kurtçul kangal

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            • #1336
              Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

              Socialist Deputy Uras Urges Better Relations With Armenia


              Deputy for the Freedom and Solidarity Party (ÖDP) Ufuk Uras said, “The steps taken because of the soccer match between Turkey and Armenia should be a beginning of a new era” and he listed a series of demands to improve the conditions of the Armenian citizens of Turkey.

              Getting ready to go to Erivan for the game, Uras urged for the opening of the border and the development of the economic relations between the two countries.

              “Our Armenian citizens should feel themselves as the equal citizens of this country; they should not face any discrimination in social life, especially in public life.”

              “The history should be discussed freely; all the restriction should be removed. An atmosphere of discussion without any prejudices should be encouraged.”

              President Abdullah Gül too is flying to Erivan to watch the game as the guest of Armenian President Serj Sarkisyan. Two presidents will also use this occasion to discuss some important matters.

              Criticizing the opposition of the Republican People’s Party (CHP) and the Nationalist Movement Party (MHP), Uras said the following:

              “Racing to prove who the best nationalist is cannot be part of the democratic mentality. Arguing for no-solution in the Armenian problem will bring no peace to the region.” (EÜ/TB)

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              http://www.bianet.org/english/minorities/109555-socialist-deputy-uras-urges-better-relations-with-armenia

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              • #1337
                Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

                Originally posted by Jos View Post
                Waited? I don't think so. It was Enver's own destructive leadership that voluntarily dragged the Ottoman Empire into a war it had no business being in. The Germans and Allies played Enver like a royal fool that inevitably led to dire consequences for citizens of the empire. I only wish someone had knocked him off prior to start of WW1..........
                ww1 was the first war for oil.

                ww2 was the second.

                before control of air meant military domination, it was naval power and at the time all advanced naval ships were converting to oil powered engines...as well as aeroplanes, tanks, and other potential for energy.

                oil was, at that time, what nuclear power is today.

                that's why foreigners tried so hard to strong arm the ottomans so much...and it was that type of foreign influence that created both 'revolutionaries' in the north-east as well as the turkish nationalism that the arf, turks, and others supported.

                dont credit any of the pashas too much, for they weren't kings/queens but pawns at most once the war started.
                kurtçul kangal

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                • #1338
                  Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

                  Originally posted by KarotheGreat View Post
                  I would say let them continue as long we've got Russia and the Us supporting us they can do what ever they like.
                  Your phraseology is wrong.
                  You are implying we have Russia in our pockets.

                  As we all know its very much the other way round.

                  As for US they are scared of Turkey, proof? all you have to do is look at USes respond to Turkish threats.
                  Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
                  Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
                  Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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                  • #1339
                    Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

                    George Friedman predicts the Rise of Neo-Ottomanism.

                    - YouTube
                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmcfxVEwt0I&feature=player_embedded
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                    • #1340
                      Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

                      Originally posted by Catharsis View Post
                      George Friedman predicts the Rise of Neo-Ottomanism.

                      - YouTube
                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmcfxVEwt0I&feature=player_embedded
                      Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.


                      So WW1 was useless and our ancestors were exiled and massacred for nothing. Shame. Hey... why isn't Israel coloured..
                      "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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