Armenian-Turkish Relations

[hipeter924]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Armenian diplomacy dramatically fails to use such outrageous claims on their own behalve. Azerbaijan is now directly threatening Armenia herself, and we just don't mind.

We have even forgotten what happened in Julfa. We even renovate their mosques in Artsakh (I have seen it myself), and they are raising the issue of ''destruction of Azerbaboon heritage'' in the Council of Europe.

We must never give an inch of land back to Azerbaijan, we should have raised the issue of Nachichevan (which belonged to Armenia) and Kelbajar, a long time ago. This would have give us more diplomatic strength.

May death follow for those who are prepared to give an inch of our historic territories to the devils.

The current ruling coalition in Armenia is already losing support as the days go on, also I think if they tried to give territory to the Azeri's then both Karabakh and the military of Armenia would refuse, alongside the Armenian's who live in Karabakh, the Armenian diaspora would also certainly put crushing economic pressure on the Armenian Government. The result: ruling coalition collapses and new elections have to be held. So if the Armenian government is smart they won't risk such political suicide.

[Muhaha]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

I wonder how much of it is just Erdogan's B.S and how much of it actually real about them connecting Artsakh with Turkey-Armenia relations. I can't stand the way Armenia is sitting back and not screaming at the top of it's lunges about Turkey obstructing the normalization process and breaking the deals. Serj's PR department is single handedly screwing everything up.

[Eddo211]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

Turkish PM again linked Karabakh to Armenian-Turkish rapprochement
10.12.2009 14:07 GMT+04:00

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ AKP will not support ratification of Armenian-Turkish protocols unless progress is registered in Karabakh talks, Turkish PM said.

“If we introduce the protocols to the parliament today, they won’t not be ratified,” Recep Tayyip Erdogan said during a meeting with U.S. President Barack Obama.

Erdogan called on Obama to press for resolution of the Nagorno Karabakh conflict. “Use your influence on both Armenia and Nagorno Karabakh. If the conflict is resolved we can ratify the protocols which will open the border with Armenia in a very short time,” he said.

http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=40562

U.S. Congress may pass Armenian Genocide resolution if Turkey-Armenia protocols aren’t ratified
10.12.2009 13:25 GMT+04:00
PanARMENIAN.Net/ During a meeting with Turkey’s Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, U.S. President Barack Obama called for soonest ratification of Armenia-Turkey protocols by the Turkish parliament.

Obama warned that it would be difficult to prevent passage of the Armenian Genocide resolution in the U.S. Congress if the protocols are not ratified, Hurriyet reported.

http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=40558

Turkey’s ambassador to U.S. resigns
10.12.2009 12:28 GMT+04:00

PanARMENIAN.Net/ Turkey's ambassador to the United States, Nabi Sensoy sent in his resignation on Wednesday, according to Anatolian Agency.

Sensoy's request came a day after the meeting between Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan and U.S. President Barack Obama. The Turkish government is reported to accept the resignation.

http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=40556

[Anoush]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

I hope the protocols will not be passed by Turkey and the Armenian Genocide recognition will be very soon!!!

[londontsi]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

I hope the protocols will not be passed by Turkey and the Armenian Genocide recognition will be very soon!!!

Fingers crossed !!

Then hopefully work starts on plan B.

[ninetoyadome]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

ive been thinking about the protocols and how Turkey keeps backtracking now and was wondering. I had read an article about a few years ago when i think Kocharyan was President. The article stated that Armenia and Turkey had agreed to a historical commission to look at the archives but then Turkey withdrew. Now i began thinking that Turkey didnt think Armenia would sign the protocols if the commission was involved and it would make Armenia look bad but when Armenia signed it Turkey became scared that the truth about the genocide would come out. So that is why, in my opinion, they began demanding Armenia get out of Artsakh, knowing full well we will not, for them to ratify the protocols.
I think its Turkey just wanting to show the world, especially the EU, they want to normalize relations with Armenia when they really dont. Armenia knows this and that is why they signed the protocols because they knew Turkey would backtrack and Armenia will look good in front of the world. I dont know if you guys agree or not but thats what i came up with.

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

That makes a lot of sence. We will see what happens.

[londontsi]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

ive been thinking about the protocols and how Turkey keeps backtracking now and was wondering. I had read an article about a few years ago when i think Kocharyan was President. The article stated that Armenia and Turkey had agreed to a historical commission to look at the archives but then Turkey withdrew. Now i began thinking that Turkey didnt think Armenia would sign the protocols if the commission was involved and it would make Armenia look bad but when Armenia signed it Turkey became scared that the truth about the genocide would come out. So that is why, in my opinion, they began demanding Armenia get out of Artsakh, knowing full well we will not, for them to ratify the protocols.
I think its Turkey just wanting to show the world, especially the EU, they want to normalize relations with Armenia when they really dont. Armenia knows this and that is why they signed the protocols because they knew Turkey would backtrack and Armenia will look good in front of the world. I dont know if you guys agree or not but thats what i came up with.

The whole point of recognition of the genocide (from the Armenian side) is not to prove just a point of fact.

Recognition of the Genocide brings with it legal obligations including reparation both financial as well as material (land).

The protocols guarantee Turkey that these cannot be asked since the current borders will be recognized by Armenia.

Turkey got what they want.
Now they are fighting for their brother Azerbaijan.

The rest is playacting.

[hipeter924]

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The whole point of recognition of the genocide (from the Armenian side) is not to prove just a point of fact.

Recognition of the Genocide brings with it legal obligations including reparation both financial as well as material (land).

The protocols guarantee Turkey that these cannot be asked since the current borders will be recognized by Armenia.

Turkey got what they want.
Now they are fighting for their brother Azerbaijan.

The rest is playacting.

True, the information coming from the EU and US sides can be quite negative in regards to that. But I can summarise it in follows "Armenian's have no right to compensation or reparations, and they are not demanding them".

Of course the people that make these claims are possibly tied or friendly with German, Turkish or European banks that had accounts with Armenian's that were wiped out in the genocide and their money stolen.

xxxs are still trying to find their money after their holocaust too, yet foreign banks refuse to hand it back. In this wiki are examples of a banks withholding money, and after pressure handing it back:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_gold

[londontsi]

Re: Armenian-Turkish Relations

True, the information coming from the EU and US sides can be quite negative in regards to that. But I can summarise it in follows "Armenian's have no right to compensation or reparations, and they are not demanding them".

Of course the people that make these claims are possibly tied or friendly with German, Turkish or European banks that had accounts with Armenian's that were wiped out in the genocide and their money stolen.
xxxs are still trying to find their money after their holocaust too, yet foreign banks refuse to hand it back. In this wiki are examples of a banks withholding money, and after pressure handing it back:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_gold

Demand for compensation normally comes from the side that has a grievance.
It does not come from third parties nor from the perpetrators of the crime.

The problem is with the incompetent and corrupt Armenian government who have become easy prey to outside pressure and manipulation.


P.S. I saw the pictures of Berlusconi last night and made a wish!!