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  • #391
    Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

    That's just how dumb it all seems. That's like Canada souring relations with the U.S. and leaning towards Russia... oddly enough that might become reality when the two start digging the arctic for resources.


    The International Monetary Fund (IMF) has approved a loan for Georgia, amounting to $750m (£418m).

    It is aimed at rebuilding the country's currency reserves and boosting confidence in its economy following last month's conflict with Russia.

    Analysts say the money could offset any difficulty Georgia might have in selling products abroad or in attracting foreign investment.

    The approval came as Nato chief Jaap de Hoop Scheffer was visiting Tbilisi.

    He called for Georgia's "accelerated" integration with Nato and condemned Russia's conduct in the conflict.

    But Mr de Hoop Scheffer - speaking at the first meeting of the Nato-Georgia Commission - did not say when Georgia might join the alliance.

    EU aid

    A third of the IMF loan will be released immediately, with the rest to come in stages over the next 18 months

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7617971.stm
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    That was towards the end of 2008, I'd say that money should be drying up any time soon if it hasn't already.
    "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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    • #392
      Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

      NATO doesn't want Georgia in its alliance, especially France & Germany. They rather preserve good ties with Russia rather than have small, troublesome Georgia in their ranks - and I don't blame them. After the war, Georgia's chances for NATO membership took a nosedive.
      Մեկ Ազգ, Մեկ Մշակույթ
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      "Western Assimilation is the greatest threat to the Armenian nation since the Armenian Genocide."

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      • #393
        Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

        US senators were lobbying for a NATO missile defense radar to be installed in Georgia supposedly as a deterrence from Iran. Russia isn't that dumb, but Georgian land is definitely strategic for both the US and Israel whether it's to surround Russia or act as a satellite state for Israel.
        "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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        • #394
          Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

          Originally posted by Mos View Post
          NATO doesn't want Georgia in its alliance, especially France & Germany. They rather preserve good ties with Russia rather than have small, troublesome Georgia in their ranks - and I don't blame them. After the war, Georgia's chances for NATO membership took a nosedive.
          The US and UK is pushing Georgia into the alliance. Germany, Italy and France is against it. The US push has decreased slightly due to the August 2008 war but as long as the neocons still have a voice and Russophobia continues, the calls will not disappear. Anti-Russian (or anti-Putin, as the Georgians do not hate the Russians) sentiment in Georgia is still quite high.
          General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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          • #395
            Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

            Well there has to be unanimous support, when you have major powers such as France and Germany opposing you can't have any progress in that progress. Remember most of Europe relies on Russian gas, they very well know the consequences of an angry Russia, and they rather keep Georgia out of the alliance than deal with Russia. US, especially with Obama, distanced itself from Saakashvili after his irresponsible actions, of course giving symbolic support, but relations have cooled nonetheless. And finally NATO doesn't want to be drawn into a conflict with Russia over some territories. Georgia has responded by warming relations with Iran, and trying to balance their foreign policy more.
            Մեկ Ազգ, Մեկ Մշակույթ
            ---
            "Western Assimilation is the greatest threat to the Armenian nation since the Armenian Genocide."

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            • #396
              Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

              The Nabucco pipelines are supposed to solve Europe's Russian supply problem but looks like there are some kinks in the plan that still need to be worked out. Armenians seem to be in the way yet again of a pan turkic sea from east to west
              "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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              • #397
                Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

                Right, nabucco pipeline, what waste, most of the money goes to specifically blockading Armenia than anything else. Plus, if Azeris attack with help of Russia, we are blowing those pipelines up and there goes their precious project.
                Մեկ Ազգ, Մեկ Մշակույթ
                ---
                "Western Assimilation is the greatest threat to the Armenian nation since the Armenian Genocide."

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                • #398
                  Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

                  They've sort of thought of that which is why there are plans for a north and south stream. The north stream would be controlled by Azerbaijan and Georgia while the south runs through northern Iran. So to disrupt flow to Europe, it would have to be cut off at both the north and south points or be shut down at Erzurum (Karin) where the pipes would "T" off.

                  This is what makes Armenia so important to Russia's Gazprom. You can see why France doesn't care for Georgia since they are relying on Russian gas anyways.

                  Last edited by KanadaHye; 02-28-2011, 08:42 AM.
                  "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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                  • #399
                    Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

                    For Hayastan to prosper in the long term, we need direct access to either caspian sea or black sea( preferably). We can't afford to rely on russia. What if someday all the gas/oil is empty in caspian sea, why would Russia be Armenia's strategic and economical ally?
                    The conclusion is for armenia to survive either georgia or Azerfakejan needs to go, or we go.
                    Last edited by arakeretzig; 02-28-2011, 10:00 AM.

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                    • #400
                      Re: Armenian Georgian Relations

                      Aliyev has decided that Georgia is the one to go first

                      Azerbaijani Official Urges Georgia To Curb Armenian Access To Black Sea

                      "Aliyev claimed the Armenian presence in Georgia's Black Sea region of Ajara is part of a long-term plan to annex the area. "For Armenians, access to the Black Sea means the realization of the idea of a 'Greater Armenia from sea to sea,'" Azerbaijan's APA news agency reported on February 24."

                      "[The Black Sea resorts of] Kobuleti, Batumi, and other regions in Ajara are being 'Armenianized,' Armenians are being resettled there," Aliyev claimed. "This is a great threat. Taking into account the fact that in 2009-10 hundreds of Ajaran families moved from Ajara to other regions of Georgia as migrants, we'll see where these processes will lead the Georgians."

                      http://www.rferl.org/content/azerbai...s/2322587.html
                      "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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