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  • Re: Elections in Armenia

    Sarkis, Mher is a J ew posing as a Palestinian...LOL
    Last edited by Vahram; 01-26-2013, 10:52 PM.

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    • Re: Elections in Armenia

      Originally posted by Vrej1915 View Post
      Key Opposition Candidate In Election Warning
      Raffi Hovannisian, a leading opposition presidential candidate, on Friday threatened to declare the February 18 election illegitimate if President Serzh Sarkisian does not stop what he called serious irregularities.


      25.01.2013

      Raffi Hovannisian, a leading opposition presidential candidate, on Friday threatened to declare the February 18 election illegitimate if President Serzh Sarkisian does not stop what he called serious irregularities.

      Hovannisian again alleged that civil servants and other public sector employees are pressured by the Armenian authorities to vote for Sarkisian. Some of them are in turn illegally campaigning for Sarkisian’s reelection in schools, universities and other state institutions, he said.

      “If this continues then these elections will be over,” he told a news conference. “I don’t want that to happen. His commitment, his speeches, his promises to the people are violated, and those violations must be attributed to him. He must bring his subordinates to task.”

      Hovannisian made clear at the same time that he will not pull out of the race in any case. “If this unequal playing field, this fraud and these abuses by officials deepen … the fairy tale about legitimate elections will be over. But that doesn’t mean that I will abandon the struggle,” he said.

      Sarkisian has repeatedly pledged to ensure that the upcoming vote is the most democratic in Armenia’s history. He has emphasized that message in just about every speech delivered since the official start of the election campaign on Monday.

      Education Minister Armen Ashotian, a leading member of Sarkisian’s Republican Party, claimed on Thursday that Hovannisian himself broke the law by campaigning at the Yerevan State Pedagogical University. Hovannisian dismissed this claim as a “complete lie,” saying that he only “said hello” to university students earlier this week.

      Also making allegations of foul play on Friday was Arman Melikian, another opposition candidate. He said that the authorities have started collecting personal data of Armenians pledging to vote for the incumbent president.

      “The Yerevan mayor has already instructed the heads of various departments to collect passport data of individuals employed in public service and their family members,” Melikian told reporters. “This is certainly a form of pressure on citizens.”

      Melikian, who got less than 1 percent of the vote in the last presidential ballot, said earlier this week that he is suspending his low-key election campaign because he believes the authorities plan to rig the ballot.
      This post, my fellow Armenians, exemplifies the dangers Armenia faces today. I agree with Haykakan that the opposition today is much weaker than it was in 2008, perhaps the CIA is downsizing these days due to a lack of funding. However, they are still trying to sow the seeds of discord at all levels in Armenian society. The danger of another March 2008 style color revolution still exists in Armenia, and there are all sorts of filthy c*ckroaches waiting to wreak havoc on the sidelines.

      raffi hovannisian is a national disgrace. his political track record reflects his physical appearance: a shady, bloated slob who is full of sh*t. First off, he is not even a citizen of the Republic of Armenia. If he had such grand plans of styling himself as a contender for the Armenian Presidency, perhaps he could have brought up the issue during the decade he spent being a wh*re for the kosher-spoused traitor LTP (regardless of whether LTP "fired" him or not from the foreign minister post). In no other state does a foreigner (non-citizen) have ANY right to run around trying to incite riots during national elections of which he cannot Constitutionally be a part of.

      raffi's shameless political pandering to the west is exactly why I suggested those four draft laws on page 71 of this thread, specifically the one criminalizing the organization of post-election protests designed or calculated to incite a riot, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE IS EVIDENCE THE RIOTS ARE BEING PLANNED BEFORE THE ELECTION HAS TAKEN PLACE. The proper legal term for raffi's subversive actions is Conspiracy, because as it can clearly be seen fat boy is in the process of planning his riot well before the election has taken place. Here in the United States, the equivalent of a raffi hovannisian would have the FBI, CIA, NSA and Department of Homeland Security stalking his every move for months, and he might end up in a secret prison and subjected to waterboarding or other "enhanced interrogation". I sincerely hope that two things occur in Armenia: 1) raffi's lack of support in the country will lead to a rioter/"protestor" turnout of nil, and 2) the Sarkisyan administration, using its well-earned domestic and political clout will come down hard on hovannisian and make an example out of him in a way they could not do with LTP in 2008. LTP has blood on his hands, justice would only be served if his agent raffi hovannistein paid for that blood. Armenia's authorities would be fully justified, specially seeing how the West abandoned mikhael saakashvili to his fate in 2008. I don't think anyone will argue that hovannistein is anywhere as valuable a pawn to the United States as saakashvili was.

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      On a final note, I'd like to state my strongest protest to "Vrej1915" posting any material from "armenialiberty.org". For anyone who does not know, this is an admitted CIA operation, it is the Armenian language service of "Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty" and dates back to the Cold War era when it used to broadcast westeren propaganda into Eastern Block countries. Today it pushes dangerous globalist ideas in an attempt to destroy Nationalism in targeted countries like Armenia.

      As an Armenian, I despise armenialiberty because even though they claim they are based in Armenia, they do not acknowledge the Armenian Genocide (among many of the anti-Armenian actions they take.) If you don't believe me, go to their website and read their English language articles. They use euphemisms and qualifiers like "the events of 1915 which Armenians and some/most Western historians consider genocide". The nerve of these people. If an American government funded news organization opened an office in israel and referred to the "holocaust" as "the events during WW2 which j*ws and some historians consider a genocide, the j*ws would unleash hell on that group, and their staff may be murdered and their offices bombed. Yet here we have a member claiming to be Armenian, using the name "Vrej1915" of all things, proudly posting articles from their website verbatim.

      If anyone is interested, visit the webpages for the Dashnak newspapers Asbarez.com and ArmenianWeekly.com A lot of times, these websites copy and paste their stories directly from the armenialiberty page. The editor doesn't change a word, except the qualified references to the Armenian Genocide, where the Asbarez/Armenia Weekly editor (Ara Khatchadoorian) deletes the phrases armenialiberty uses which raise questions about the Genocide and replaces them simply with the words "Armenian Genocide". As Armenians, we need to ask ourselves, "if these jackasses at armenialiberty deliberately raise questions about the truth of our Genocide, what other dirty lies are they trying to sneak by us and trick our people into believing? Clearly they are not on our side, they are serving other, foreign interests which are detrimental to Armenia's well being and healthy development"... And that's just armenialiberty exposing itself over the Armenian Genocide, I haven't even touched all of the anti-Armenian, anti-Artsakh and anti-Russian crap they "report" to our unsuspecting masses!

      And "Vrej1915", before you respond I ask that you not give the faulty excuse "I just post their story, it does not mean I endorse their views". Utter bullsh*t. That would be the same as me posting an article from Hurriyet, which ironically would use the exact same evasive terms as armenialiberty in referring to the Armenian Genocide, and then claiming that I merely am "posting their story". You don't post any warnings about how unreliable and anti-Armenian the source of your article is, which can only mean that you are adopting their viewpoint and want the rest of us to do the same. I've seen you post garbage from armenialiberty, as well as hetq and armenianow enough times to know that you eat up all of the excrement these vile establishments put out.
      Last edited by Sarkis86; 01-27-2013, 02:28 AM.

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      • Re: Elections in Armenia

        Originally posted by Mos View Post
        Well Israeli politicians have said some disgusting things about Armenian Genocide. They have made it so like Genocide is only unique to them and the sufferings of other people doesn't matter. They have repeatedly helped Turkey with denial in other countries, and today are Azerbaijan's biggest ally. We don't have to be against all xxxs, but certain the state of Israel and Zionists are heavily anti-Armenian and we need to oppose that.
        How does that change the fact that the Holocaust happened and that nazi scum tried to wipe out the xxxish race from the face off this planet, like the turks tried to do with Armenia? No action by any politician or any other person should force us to forget the horrific actions done by one of the most vile regimes on the face of this planet. It wasn't only the xxxs that were slaughtered, the disabled, gypsys, homosexuals, intellectuals who were against the nazi-regime, communists and in the Russian and Ukrainian steps the Slavic population. To deny the Holocaust is to deny to slaughter of these people but it is also to deny the sacrifices made by Armenians who fought against this vile regime on mass. My great-uncle was one of the heroes who fought against this cancer on humanity all the way to Berlin. It baffles me that there are Armenians who try to hang unto this cancer and try to whitewash its crimes. (this is not 100% directed on you but more general)
        It is so weird to see Armenians trying to deny a genocide the same way as Turks try to do and almost use the same arguments that the Turks love to use.

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        • Re: Elections in Armenia

          My biggest disappointment with this election is that I have not seen any of the candidates talk about economical reforms. No one seems to have concrete plan on what they can do better and how they are going to do it. the only thing that I am hearing is how bad the government is doing and how if they get elected that everything will magically become better. They don't seem to have a plan to combat the illegal monopolies that have grown in Armenia nor how to grow the Armenian economy in a sustainable fashion. That is why I am not supporting any of the candidates be it ruling party or "opposition". A real opposition does not exist in Armenia today that can offer something different than the government. Hopefully after this election it will form behind PAP party.

          And the people that are saying that they want a nationalist to be president, my question to you is how will a nationalist fix Armenians economy in a global world?

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          • Re: Elections in Armenia

            Originally posted by KarotheGreat View Post
            My biggest disappointment with this election is that I have not seen any of the candidates talk about economical reforms. No one seems to have concrete plan on what they can do better and how they are going to do it. the only thing that I am hearing is how bad the government is doing and how if they get elected that everything will magically become better. They don't seem to have a plan to combat the illegal monopolies that have grown in Armenia nor how to grow the Armenian economy in a sustainable fashion. That is why I am not supporting any of the candidates be it ruling party or "opposition". A real opposition does not exist in Armenia today that can offer something different than the government. Hopefully after this election it will form behind PAP party.

            And the people that are saying that they want a nationalist to be president, my question to you is how will a nationalist fix Armenians economy in a global world?

            On your final question: No one has mentioned the economy, the focus has been social and geopolitical. A Nationalist pursuing strengthening Armenian society, culture, traditions, the concept of Nationhood, the military, in short all of the things that go into making a healthy developing nation, rather than a decadent cesspool like one finds in western cities and in American funded regimes in pakistan, saudia arabia, egypt, jordan, turkey, the "Free Syrian Army"-held parts of Syria, etc.

            The entire world economic system is crumbling at this time, and tiny, blockades, resourceless and militarily threatened Armenia can only do so much. I'd personally prefer an Armenian Nationalist who incorporated elements of socialism mixed with capitalism in order to keep the multinational corporations and money-lenders/loan sharks like the IMF, World Bank and WTO from plundering Armenia's wealth and resources completely. Development, if it is to take place, must occur slowly and steadily (as it has been since the fall of LTP). It must include investments from Russia and the Rising Asian Powers, and it must be weary of subjugation to the American Federal Reserve and European Central Banks predatory and inflationary financial policies. Research the IMF and its globalist "Structural Adjustment Policies" and see how it can wreck nations with weak leadership in the process. And remember the dangers of relying on western loans and aid, and how they canceled funding for rural development projects in Armenia promised under their "Millennium Development Challenge" scheme when their boy LTP failed in his coup attempt, but they lavished praise and grants/loans on the more authoritarian saakashvili during the same period in Georgia.


            As for the holohoax, the materials and resources were presented to you above. I ask that you review at least a part of it before you go making comparisons between "holocaust" truth-seekers and turks who deny the Armenian Genocide. If one accept claims of a genocide without examining objective facts, then there is nothing preventing the world from feeling outrage at Armenia when they hear the azerbaijani claims about the "Khojali Genocide". Your post came off as an emotionally charged rant, not a reasoned political response, which is terrible because I enjoyed reading your earlier posts on this thread. Your grandfather fighting all the way to Berlin doesn't make every rumor that was made up about the "evil Germans" true. History, specially Stalin-era history, is written by the victors. And consider that on the other side of the frontlines, thousands of Armenians fought in the Wehrmacht with the aim of liberating Armenia from the bolsheviks. The bolsheviks who had been raping Armenia since 1920 were the only entity which can properly be called a "cancer", in addition to the turks before them and the LTP anarchists after. Among the Armenians who saw the National Socialists in Germany as a potential tool for the salvation of Armenia were General Dro and Garegin Njteh, and I hope no Armenian would ever classify those two great National leaders and heroes as "cancers", because that would be a pretty turkish position to take.
            Last edited by Sarkis86; 01-27-2013, 04:00 AM.

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            • Re: Elections in Armenia

              Originally posted by KarotheGreat View Post
              How does that change the fact that the Holocaust happened and that nazi scum tried to wipe out the xxxish race from the face off this planet, like the turks tried to do with Armenia? No action by any politician or any other person should force us to forget the horrific actions done by one of the most vile regimes on the face of this planet. It wasn't only the xxxs that were slaughtered, the disabled, gypsys, homosexuals, intellectuals who were against the nazi-regime, communists and in the Russian and Ukrainian steps the Slavic population. To deny the Holocaust is to deny to slaughter of these people but it is also to deny the sacrifices made by Armenians who fought against this vile regime on mass. My great-uncle was one of the heroes who fought against this cancer on humanity all the way to Berlin. It baffles me that there are Armenians who try to hang unto this cancer and try to whitewash its crimes. (this is not 100% directed on you but more general)
              It is so weird to see Armenians trying to deny a genocide the same way as Turks try to do and almost use the same arguments that the Turks love to use.
              I never said Holocaust didn't happen. What I said is that the actions of certain xxxs of Israel towards other people is pretty disgusting when they try to make their suffering "special" and "unique". I also had relatives that fought against Nazis and I have nothing but bad things to say about Nazis. I despise the neo-nazi culture and ideology to the core. But I also despise the ideology of the Zionists and their allies. And I find the modern day Israeli state and the Zionists to be very anti-Armenian. I have nothing against the every day xxx (why should I?) but when it comes to nationalist xxxs (Zionists) and other such people, I have a problem.
              Մեկ Ազգ, Մեկ Մշակույթ
              ---
              "Western Assimilation is the greatest threat to the Armenian nation since the Armenian Genocide."

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              • Re: Elections in Armenia

                Originally posted by Vardan View Post
                Here is a disturbing piece of propaganda which has been scripted and edited by the foreign-funded subversives just in time for the February 2013 Presidential Elections in Armenia. It should be clear to all that even under the conditions where the domestic and wider geopolitical scene in Armenia appears calm, the western interests are busy preparing their next generation to tools to wreak havoc in Armenia in yet another attempt to bring Armenia to its knees. In this specific case, the west has WEAPONIZED the tragic death of an Armenian soldier. Of course, they are upset that their last round of politicizing non-combat deaths in the Armenian military backfired on them http://forum.hyeclub.com/showthread....l=1#post333375, because the Sarkisyan administration being military-focused took steps that lead to a significant decrease in the occurrence of such events - still there is room for improvement and even a single unnecessary Armenian death is a great tragedy. (No mention of the vastly greater number of such incidents in the US Army).

                Anyway, as Nationalistic/patriotic/proud Armenians, we should all be extremely disturbed by the substance of this video. Essentially the grieving father is wailing about the fact that his son was "taken to Karabakh" and then killed. Why emphasize over and over again so many times that it occurred in "Karabakh", with a tone of hatred in his voice every time he says the word. One can only infer that he means Artsakh as if it is a foreign entity, non-Armenian. Mirroring azeri/turkish propaganda, he makes it sound as if Artsakh is Armenia's "burden". What should be done? Should Armenia's army break down into a system where each province is defended only by "locals"? Yerevantsis for Yerevan, Gyumretsis for Shirak, Vanadzor natives for Lori, Yeghegnadzor natives for Vayotz Dzor? Would it be better if we just ceded Artsakh to the azerbaijanis? What an underhanded affront at our unity! The same unity many Armenians complain we as a people don't have. Disgusting.

                Tragic as it may be, we need to recognize that the murder of this soldier's death is being weaponized by outside forces as a tool in order to pressure the Yerevan government to make concessions on Artsakh, and to turkey on the Genocide and demands for justice/reparations. To me this is no different than in 2008 when levin ter-petrostein and jon "the jack*ss" hughes' armenianow.com were advocating outright violence against Artsakhtsis (not just the Kocharyan/Sargsyan duo and their political and business associates but rather any and all Artsakhtsi's in sight). This remains a very serious threat, a would which outside powers are constantly looking to rip wide open again. If their demonic plan succeeds, we may end up with another March 2008 on our hands, and have Armenia's forward progress set back several more years again. We need to ask ourselves who would benefit from such a dangerous development, because it clearly isn't Armenia.

                Lastly, I'd like to present some evidence that speaks for itself: the top comment on YouTube for this video.

                Michael Tonoyan 7 hours ago
                Ապահով Հայաստանդ քունեմ Սեռժ:

                I ask all of you to consider, would ANY Armenian ever say "F*ck Armenia". How petty, how treasonous. This should make our blood boil! I refuse to believe this comment came from an Armenian, I want to believe that it is some scumbag in ankara or baku. Perhaps one who took those Armenian language classes they are touting a few turkish universities now offer, or perhaps the scumbags who run this Armenian language websites disseminating azeri propaganda (www.armenia.az, clearly they are investing their petrodollars wisely). But, alas, I am most likely mistaken, and this crap was probably authored by a levin supporter in some hole in Yerevan or Los Angeles. For Armenia's sake, these tools ("useful idiots" as the mass murderer Lenin would say) are drowned out by the collective anger and passion of the patriots of Armenia, the ones who will shout back "Stop your futile attempts at denigrating the glorious Armenian military, the only victorious Army among the South Caucasian states, and stop your futile attempts at creating an artificial divide: Artsakh is Armenia!"


                On a final note, let me just state how much I hate having to write posts like this about Armenians who fall victim to crime within Armenia. I get no pleasure out of this, quite the opposite it upsets me greatly to have to visit this subject. For anyone one thinks I write essays without feeling emotions, I don't. It took a lot of time for me to edit what I wrote to make it more logical and less emotional. That being said, and for what it's worth, I'd like to offer my condolences to the grieving family. There is no one more worthy of our deepest respects that the Armenian soldier. We would not exist without them, our people (including civilians) would suffer fates even worse than death as history has shown. I only post my opinions out of the same love for the Fatherland as I am sure this deceased soldier had. I respond because I do not want to see any nefarious powers utilize a sad, but unfortunately common the world over, situation as a tool to advance their own interests and agendas by playing with the justifiable anger and frustrations being felt by the masses, who unfortunately are often times irrational in where and how they express their emotions. Consider, were we not threatened with extermination the moment we let our guard down by the genocidal turks and their azerbaijani cousins, maybe just maybe we would not have the need to station so many soldiers on the front lines in Artsakh, in Northern Lori province and at other points along the "Line of Contact"? Overly idealistic, but also an indicator of where the anger belongs. And consider, when a Russian soldier from Moscow or St. Petersburg is killed in the North Caucasus, or when a German from Berlin is killed defending the Sudetenland, or when an American from Wyoming is killed during training in California, or an israeli from tel aviv is killed during an operation in the Occupied West Bank or Gaza, that the self-destructive elements from those nations are not allowed to ghoulishly capitalize on the tragedy to call for a dismemberment of their National States. We Armenians must equally work to prevent our tragedies from becoming our enemies tools against us.
                Last edited by Sarkis86; 01-29-2013, 02:54 PM.

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                • Re: Elections in Armenia

                  Originally posted by Mher View Post
                  What is everyone's opinion of Rafi Hovanessian and his current political positions?
                  Ok , I'm going to go out on a limb here .
                  I'm going to start by saying --- I know zip about politicle landscape in Armenia , except what I've picked up here by members of this group . I can't tell the players without a score card , and the only input I have is from this group .
                  The above question by Mher is a question very clearly and not an assertion .
                  I'm going to paraphrase --- hey can you guys ( and dolls ) help me get up to speed so I can better understand how to make my next move .
                  -------------- now --------------
                  I think both Sarkis and Vahram had excellent points of clarification on this matter BUT instead of saying --- dear brother please consider the VALID points , that you might gain true insight and understanding , so that Mher could make a better informed choice , they both seemed to me to start out with such derogatory and inflametory words that they ( Sarkis & Vahram ) obfuscated their own points of merit ( true merit ) .
                  Although I know absolutely nothing about the politicle players , I'm going to speak anyway .
                  Mher , it looks to me you have " cottoned up " ( maybe ? ) to Hovanisian Jr. ( sp ) because of lack of dirty connect to oligarch , and it seems his hands are cleaner .
                  Although I know nothing about Hovanisian's ( senior or junior ) , my impression is this ---
                  ---- senior is a paid American schill , and would have us give back Artsahk --- all phony double talk . Junior is seniors kid !!!
                  I understand you looking for cleaner hands BUT , that is not the only important criteria that --- needs --- serious evaluation here .
                  As Sarkis pointed out quite astutely ( if you iliminate the worthless , none brotherly stuff ) those guys are bad choices .
                  Yes the oligarch hands are dirty and we need to " take care of that " but they aren't going to give up one square inch !
                  Virtually all our amazing accomplishments have come while oligarch has been around . Not because of oligarch crap but still .
                  Please watch out for the Americans , they'll promise us gold while giving the family farm to the turks , either side .
                  The horse we are riding now is dirty but mean .
                  We need the meanest ride we can get , unfortunately ( in my opinion ) we are gonna have to worry about cleaning the Mo Fo up latter or as a separate issue .
                  At the moment we don't have many choices and are in an incredibly tough position .
                  Let's work on this together and not tear each other apart .
                  Both Sarkis and Vahram have good ( Armenian ) brains and valuable input of wonderful clarity when they don't muddy it up with unwanted and unnecessary ...
                  I think ( my opinion ) --- we need the meanest , baddest pony we can get , and it ain't the Americanized schuckers .
                  Artashes
                  ---- senior is a paid American schill

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                  • Re: Elections in Armenia

                    Originally posted by Artashes View Post
                    Ok , I'm going to go out on a limb here .
                    I'm going to start by saying --- I know zip about politicle landscape in Armenia , except what I've picked up here by members of this group . I can't tell the players without a score card , and the only input I have is from this group .
                    The above question by Mher is a question very clearly and not an assertion .
                    I'm going to paraphrase --- hey can you guys ( and dolls ) help me get up to speed so I can better understand how to make my next move .
                    -------------- now --------------
                    I think both Sarkis and Vahram had excellent points of clarification on this matter BUT instead of saying --- dear brother please consider the VALID points , that you might gain true insight and understanding , so that Mher could make a better informed choice , they both seemed to me to start out with such derogatory and inflametory words that they ( Sarkis & Vahram ) obfuscated their own points of merit ( true merit ) .
                    Although I know absolutely nothing about the politicle players , I'm going to speak anyway .
                    Mher , it looks to me you have " cottoned up " ( maybe ? ) to Hovanisian Jr. ( sp ) because of lack of dirty connect to oligarch , and it seems his hands are cleaner .
                    Although I know nothing about Hovanisian's ( senior or junior ) , my impression is this ---
                    ---- senior is a paid American schill , and would have us give back Artsahk --- all phony double talk . Junior is seniors kid !!!
                    I understand you looking for cleaner hands BUT , that is not the only important criteria that --- needs --- serious evaluation here .
                    As Sarkis pointed out quite astutely ( if you iliminate the worthless , none brotherly stuff ) those guys are bad choices .
                    Yes the oligarch hands are dirty and we need to " take care of that " but they aren't going to give up one square inch !
                    Virtually all our amazing accomplishments have come while oligarch has been around . Not because of oligarch crap but still .
                    Please watch out for the Americans , they'll promise us gold while giving the family farm to the turks , either side .
                    The horse we are riding now is dirty but mean .
                    We need the meanest ride we can get , unfortunately ( in my opinion ) we are gonna have to worry about cleaning the Mo Fo up latter or as a separate issue .
                    At the moment we don't have many choices and are in an incredibly tough position .
                    Let's work on this together and not tear each other apart .
                    Both Sarkis and Vahram have good ( Armenian ) brains and valuable input of wonderful clarity when they don't muddy it up with unwanted and unnecessary ...
                    I think ( my opinion ) --- we need the meanest , baddest pony we can get , and it ain't the Americanized schuckers .
                    Artashes
                    ---- senior is a paid American schill
                    I agree with you, we need to fix the "oligarch" issue eventually. We can do that by evolving Armenia's social and business climate over the coming decades slow and steady. Just like we need to rebuild Armenia's infrastructure, agricultural productivity, and even some of our social values in order to weed out corruption and other backwards and selfish mentalities. Remember societies tend to be accurate reflections of the individual citizens who make them. This will all take time and hard work: Rome wasn't built in a day. Violent revolutions will never solve this issue, it will only set back any progress that's been made over the years, and risk the collapse of Armenia.

                    And everyone needs to remember: there is corruption in every country. If anyone is interested, I recommend this eye-opening six-part report on the oligarchs of America. Western oligarchs make Armenia's oligarchs seem like two-bit pickpockets by comparison! http://ampedstatus.com/full-report-t...es-of-america/

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                    • Re: Elections in Armenia

                      Originally posted by Sarkis86 View Post
                      I agree with you, we need to fix the "oligarch" issue eventually. We can do that by evolving Armenia's social and business climate over the coming decades slow and steady. Just like we need to rebuild Armenia's infrastructure, agricultural productivity, and even some of our social values in order to weed out corruption and other backwards and selfish mentalities. Remember societies tend to be accurate reflections of the individual citizens who make them. This will all take time and hard work: Rome wasn't built in a day. Violent revolutions will never solve this issue, it will only set back any progress that's been made over the years, and risk the collapse of Armenia.

                      And everyone needs to remember: there is corruption in every country. If anyone is interested, I recommend this eye-opening six-part report on the oligarchs of America. Western oligarchs make Armenia's oligarchs seem like two-bit pickpockets by comparison! http://ampedstatus.com/full-report-t...es-of-america/
                      Man , you hammered that one over the fence so hard , I don't think it's landed yet .
                      The clarity is tremendous .
                      The recognition of a need to change some of our social values and individuals being reflection of the society are HARD critical evaluations of us ( but ) honest . Few there are that can look at themselves and be that honest .
                      The slow , steady , but purposeful change you made is in my opinion 100% on the money .
                      Ya , we want to get rid of the fcking princesses that strut , but a revolution would tear us apart . A slow steady hammer can actually accomplish what a wildly swung hammer can't .
                      As one who lives in America , I can vouch for the two bit pick pocket comments accuracy . It is unbelievable what they are doing over here . They are rapping the land , the animals , the sea/lakes/rivers and people at break neck speed . It horrifying . Makes Armenia look like small change .
                      We CANNOT copy the west .
                      A highly packed and extremely informative post .
                      Thanks ,Sarkis

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