Dashnaktsutyun - Armenian Revolutionary Federation

[Hye]

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For christ, god's, Armenias Armenians sake what the hell are you talking about people? Stop living in the clouds and for just once look around and taste some reality. You state Saksian is a pupet in superpowers hands just tell the one who will replace him what will he be in the superpowers hands what the hell will he able to do lets assume the savior of Armenia Tashnak nomanee was president Vahan hovanessian and Russia and USA told sign this document what will he do? he will say no????? and suddenly after a year there will be no Krabakh or half of it will be occupied by Azeries. People keep on telling there are preconditions in the protocol point me out where the hell are thesequote them. almost all those I have talked to here who are claiming such haven't even read the protocol once. People who constantly say there is corruption in Armenia well I live in Lebanon as you know and I will ask DOESN'T THE DIASPORA HAVE CORRUPTION IN ITSELF? I can tell in case of Lebanes diaspora HELL YES but somehow we neglect what awfiul things we have and keep on critisizing Armenian government. For all those who think Tashnagtsuryoun is the savior of Armenia today wasn't tashnagtsutyun the ones who signed treaty of batum and they still celebrate the birth of independant Armenia that effectively was 9000 sq Km Im not critisizing ARF they had NO ONTHER CHOISE just like serj HAS NO OTHER CHOICE BUT TO SIGN THIS PROTOCOL enough already this guy has proved over and over again he is competent capable person from day one we were and we are AT LEAST one step ahead of Trkish diplomacy and Turkey is in fact in corner right now but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO we still remain in the clouds and still repeat the same old fary tales over and over again. wake up people. you want something better think about alternatives SCIENTIFICLY argued planed logical alternatives or else shut up. To all those saying we don't gain if we open the borders simple questions you want Armenia to prosper yeah? so it is very important for Armenia to have industry to prosper yeah? HOW THE HELL WILL WE HAVE INDUSTRY WITHOUT OPEN BORDERS? You argue that Turkish products reach Armenia now via Georgia why the hell will georgia benifit 300 mill$ transit tax money from us when if we open the border this transite tax money will enter in the Armenian governments pocket. Beside ever heard of inport taxes? Can't we protect our own industry by taxation stop hiding behind your fingers already.

[UrMistake]

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Hye im with you in this bro.

[Haykakan]

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For christ, god's, Armenias Armenians sake what the hell are you talking about people? Stop living in the clouds and for just once look around and taste some reality. You state Saksian is a pupet in superpowers hands just tell the one who will replace him what will he be in the superpowers hands what the hell will he able to do lets assume the savior of Armenia Tashnak nomanee was president Vahan hovanessian and Russia and USA told sign this document what will he do? he will say no????? and suddenly after a year there will be no Krabakh or half of it will be occupied by Azeries. People keep on telling there are preconditions in the protocol point me out where the hell are thesequote them. almost all those I have talked to here who are claiming such haven't even read the protocol once. People who constantly say there is corruption in Armenia well I live in Lebanon as you know and I will ask DOESN'T THE DIASPORA HAVE CORRUPTION IN ITSELF? I can tell in case of Lebanes diaspora HELL YES but somehow we neglect what awfiul things we have and keep on critisizing Armenian government. For all those who think Tashnagtsuryoun is the savior of Armenia today wasn't tashnagtsutyun the ones who signed treaty of batum and they still celebrate the birth of independant Armenia that effectively was 9000 sq Km Im not critisizing ARF they had NO ONTHER CHOISE just like serj HAS NO OTHER CHOICE BUT TO SIGN THIS PROTOCOL enough already this guy has proved over and over again he is competent capable person from day one we were and we are AT LEAST one step ahead of Trkish diplomacy and Turkey is in fact in corner right now but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO we still remain in the clouds and still repeat the same old fary tales over and over again. wake up people. you want something better think about alternatives SCIENTIFICLY argued planed logical alternatives or else shut up. To all those saying we don't gain if we open the borders simple questions you want Armenia to prosper yeah? so it is very important for Armenia to have industry to prosper yeah? HOW THE HELL WILL WE HAVE INDUSTRY WITHOUT OPEN BORDERS? You argue that Turkish products reach Armenia now via Georgia why the hell will georgia benifit 300 mill$ transit tax money from us when if we open the border this transite tax money will enter in the Armenian governments pocket. Beside ever heard of inport taxes? Can't we protect our own industry by taxation stop hiding behind your fingers already.

Bah hehe where were you a couple of months ago when i was the lone voice in here saying these things.

[ashot24]

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Bah hehe where were you a couple of months ago when i was the lone voice in here saying these things.

I was about to say the same, a lot of people in the diaspora seemed to have changed their mind about the protocols, about some political parties and people, and most of all about Sargsyan's government in general after...what? His speech on London? I remember about how they used to picture him along with Talaat Pasha, and now they applause his moves, I also remember how the ARF was extremely against the protocols and did all the marches and protests against them both in the diaspora and inside Armenia, and how eventually they had to agree with them, low their tone, and say they agree with the protocols but with some "changes"...I applause or brave fedayis on the ARF who have fought and gave their lives for the freedom of our homeland, but excuse me, the political party named ARF has been a failure since the times of the DRA.

It's amazing how people changes their minds so easily...

[Haykakan]

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I was about to say the same, a lot of people in the diaspora seemed to have changed their mind about the protocols, about some political parties and people, and most of all about Sargsyan's government in general after...what? His speech on London? I remember about how they used to picture him along with Talaat Pasha, and now they applause his moves, I also remember how the ARF was extremely against the protocols and did all the marches and protests against them both in the diaspora and inside Armenia, and how eventually they had to agree with them, low their tone, and say they agree with the protocols but with some "changes"...I applause or brave fedayis on the ARF who have fought and gave their lives for the freedom of our homeland, but excuse me, the political party named ARF has been a failure since the times of the DRA.

It's amazing how people changes their minds so easily...

Yes what you say is true but lets not rub it in too much. Dashnaks along with most of the people here are still our people and anyone could have easily came to the same wrong conclusions while having nothing but love in their heart for the armenian people. Being wrong is part of being a human being, we all make mistakes. What seperates smart people from the dumb ones is learning from ones mistakes.

[ashot24]

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Yes what you say is true but lets not rub it in too much. Dashnaks along with most of the people here are still our people and anyone could have easily came to the same wrong conclusions while having nothing but love in their heart for the armenian people. Being wrong is part of being a human being, we all make mistakes. What seperates smart people from the dumb ones is learning from ones mistakes.

I know and agree with what you say, and eventually I am going to be fired by some of the members here, but I just wanted to make my point over the fact that peoples changes their mind easily, for whatever reason it may be. I love my brothers and sisters (I am a diasporan too) despite the fact who they support, we all want the best for our country...but it just broke my heart to see how much Armenia and its diaspora distanced furthermore with the issue of the protocols, something you could clearly see, for example, during last year's telethon when the feelings where exacerbated, and knowing that there were people who thought and actually didn't contributed to Shushi despite having the resources to, because they wanted to "protest against the protocols"...and eventually the majority of people who were against them then turned into their favor or simply forgot/ignored them after the storm passed...I, and I am sure others did as well, felt bad about it.

My point is that, as you said, we can acknowledge and learn from our mistakes, because more issues will come and feelings will be exacerbated again...and we don't need more distance between Armenia and the diaspora, because Armenia is nothing without its diaspora and the diaspora is nothing without Armenia.

[Armanen]

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Armenia is something, Armenia has a future. The Diaspora does not, so while it is around those in the Diaspora should help Armenia by whatever means they have, best is of course to return to the Homeland, but we all know that is not likely.

[Hye]

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Thank you UrMistake

Haykakan from day one I was with the signing of the protocols used to and still argue with people who think it is a bad move. I donno if yuou had notice my stance from my previouse posts. As for few months ago I donno as you can see i sometimes disapear and don't post at all that's because Im so busy have too much to do you can't imagine when i find time I post. but anyway Im glad you agree with me

[Haykakan]

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Here is some more chest pounding by the dashnaks.

ARF PRIORITIZES REGIME CHANGE AT 15TH SUPREME ASSEMBLY

Asbarez
Monday, June 7th, 2010

ARF Supreme Council of Armenia Chairman Armen Rustamian

YEREVAN (ARF Press Service)-The Armenian Revolutionary Federation
concluded its 15th Supreme Assembly of Armenia on Sunday with the
election of a new ARF Supreme Council of Armenia to govern the
pan-national political parties operations in Armenia for the next
two years. The Assembly, which convened Friday in Aghveran, issued a
statement emphasizing the need for regime change and highlighting the
party's priorities in Armenia. The statement specifically stressed
the need for the restoration of national ideals within Armenia's
foreign policy, the establishment of social justice, protection of
civil rights and the need to form a new government.

At the conclusion, a nine-person council to oversee the party's
operations in Armenia was elected comprised of the following: Hayrapet
Babayan, Arsen Hambardzumyan, Tatul Harutyunyan, Michael Manukyan,
Ara Nranian, Armen Rustamian, Spartak Seyranian, Simon Simonian and
Hrach Tadevosyan. Rustamian was re-elected to chair the body.

During a press conference Monday, Rustamian emphasized that regime
change was the only way out of the current social and political
quagmire in Armenia. "We want to change the government by means of
elections. That is the way to go. Regime change through uprising is
always dangerous and harmful, especially given that Armenia and the
Armenians now face an unfinished war," said Rustamian.

He also announced that during the next presidential elections the
ARF will nominate its own candidate. "If Armenians had elected [ARF
candidate] Vahan Hovhannesian president in 2008 we would be living
in a different Armenia now," explained Rustamian.

"Obviously, the incumbent Armenian authorities are unable to solve
topical problems. The country needs a new regime, which would be
capable of resolving problems," said Rustamian. In this context, he
said, the ARF is the only force capable of solving existing problems.

"The time comes when changing the ruling regime becomes a matter of
national security."

Asked why the ARF does not demand President Serzh Sarkisian's
resignation if the party is dissatisfied with his policies, Rustamian
responded: "You are right. How long can we give the president new
chances? It is enough. We have closed our eyes to too many things
and given him many chances. They should not test the ARF's patience
and prudence."

The ARF statement contains a long of list of socioeconomic and
political problems facing Armenia, including a culture of electoral
fraud, government abuse and widespread poverty.

"Today the state is not on the side of its citizens," said Rustamian.

"Unfortunately, we have two types of states: One caters to the
interests of a minority-a privileged class-while the other has
abandoned its citizens."

"Social discontent has never reached such a peak and the social
situation has never been so difficult. I hope that the authorities
realize this as well," added Rustamian, who predicted that if these
conditions persist, a social uprising could take place in the country.

The ARF leader said that without necessary reforms, all future
elections will worsen the country's already tenuous situation. He
said the inability of the people to form a power base through free
expression has caused the current impasse.

Rustamian also didn't rule out early elections-both presidential
and parliamentary. "A force-majeure situation can always arise in
a country like ours, and any political force respecting itself must
always be prepared for such scenarios."

"During elections the authorities themselves corrupt the people
and then they seek great achievements. It is impossible," explained
Rustamian.


The part that makes me laugh is "he said, the ARF is the only force capable of solving existing problems"
Ok what problem has the ARF solved for Armenia that allows him to make such a claim? This guy is calling for regime change through elections but he knows full well that is not gona happen. And what is it exactly that this clown is so "fed up with"? He supported Kocharian and his oligarchs and nothing has changed in that regard so whats with the outrage? This president atleast did some tax reform and antigraft things which is more then any government backed by the dashnaks has ever done. I am against capitalism myself and a national socialist party would be a natural fit for a person such as myself but the utter ignorence of this party is jawdropping. They incite the entire diaspora against the president because they are too dumb to realize that there is a game being played, then they realize that a game is being played when the game is over and praise the president, then they stab him in the back and advertise for regime change. Just because the dashnaks underwent a regime change doesnt mean everyone else should follow suite. I seriously question the competentce of the rulers of this party who hardly do anything useful and are only good at pounding their chests and waiving flags. You know they kind of remind me of the idiotic american "patriots" who believed if they waive enough flags and attack enough countries then the economy will turn around and everything will be ok. Because of these fools the slick oligarcks of America wrote up the "patriot act" and took all rights away from these flag waiving idiots who pushed the act through the legislature like it was gona get them a free case of beer. We dont need idiots like these in Hayastan. It is fine and dandy to critisize the government but you have been part of the government a long time and what exactly did you get done then? It is great that the dashnak is willing to fight but it is even more important for a man to be able to think. In my opinion it is the dashnaks who need a regime change for they do not miss a single opportunity to completly misunderstand what is going down on the world stage. How come people like me and others here understand some basic principles of foreign relations and the dashnaks don't? How come we can see a game for what it is and the dashnaks don't? How come they have been in the government since kocharian took over yet have done absolutly nothing useful for Armenia on their own? They supported the oligarchs even though it is against their parties principles to do so all these years and what exactly changed now? Now they want to make changes through elections knowing full well that elections are rigged and even if the people did want to vote for them (which they dont) they still couldnt accomplish their goals. So what is the point of this organization in Armenias government? All they do is pointless speeches designed to antagonize the diaspora against Armenia. If there was ever a need for regime change it is in the party of the dashnaks but the problem is that they dont even know it.

[Haykakan]

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Here is another idiotic plan. This one pretty much proves that the dashnaks are agents of the west in Armenia.

"ARF PREPARES THE POWER'S PATH
NAIRA HAYRUMYAN

Lragir.am
08/06/10

TO WITHDRAW

ARF Dashnaktsutyun declared its priority the change of power in
Armenia. In addition, though it was stated that the party will be
getting ready for regular elections, it was specially underlined that
a social revolt may happen in the country. It is also noteworthy
that Dashnaktsutyun stated that Armenia is forced unfavorable for
us peace in the NKR issue, and if the power agrees with such peace,
it will have to answer.

Combining these two statements, we can conclude that yesterday ARF
presented one of the possible scenarios of the development of events
in Armenia and in the region. The scenario is the following: if the
pressure by Russia or by anyone else increases reaching dangerous
limits, in the country, a social revolt by the ARF will happen, a
shift of power will take place and the Dashnaks, which are perceived
in the world as a party of radical nationalistic character, will take
the wheel of the country in their hands. This will enable to open
a bloodless path for the withdrawal of the current power, stopping
unfavorable for us settlement process and creating a new status quo in
the region. The new status quo will not be based on the expectations
of concessions by Armenia, but on the need to recognize the borders
established after the war.

When this scenario is accomplished can be only guessed, since,
"silence diplomacy" in the Karabakh issue is "spinning now with might
and main". In August, a visit of the Russian president to Armenia
is outlined, who, according to Zhamanak daily, will bring the plan
of the settlement including the surrender of three regions-Aghdam,
Fizuli and Kelbadjar. Since a "voluntary" agreement with this scenario
by Armenia is impossible, it is supposed that Baku may initiate a
small war. In this connection, the U.S. president Barack Obama wrote a
special letter to Ilham Aliyev and urged him to refrain from war. The
only peaceful scenario is left-to persuade Serge Sargsyan. And here
appears on the stage ARF Dashnaktsutyun with its social revolt."

This article states that the dashnaks are ready to cause social upheaval and take power. This sounds like a dillusional drunk yapping away. In the previous article they said they were gona take power through elections which anyone with half a brain knows wont happen and now they claim they will take power through social upheaval which again they cannot do. So like how many plans do these guys have and which leader is in charge? They are saying two different things from the same party, yeh you know that party that gets every call wrong. These idiots are again going against russia and siding with the usa. It is obvious they dont learn from their mistakes and again they are fully prepared for the people of Armenia to suffer the consequences of their time honored lunacy. The last time Armenia chose the usa instead of russia we almost lost our country with the likes of LTP taking us to the gates of hell. The Armenians of Armenia do not want to go there again and they wont. I dont think a party can be this stupid thus i am starting to believe the dashnaks do not work for the best interest of Armenia and would rather pursue party goals vs national ones. And befor the dashnaks here go gaga over what i wrote just read what these articles say again.