Dashnaktsutyun - Armenian Revolutionary Federation

[Christina]

Re: Dashnaktsutyun - Armenian Revolutionary Federation

Baarev. yes gerem namak duk'.

ays pataskhan. gerum em duk hima. Yes ch'em haskanum hayeren, k'ich t'e shat,
voch. Yes mi kich gitem hayeren.

khent'rem, unem elektronayin ays lusanekar, Yes uzum em ugharkel norut'yun
NYC, Yes ch'egitem t'e inchpes ogtevel ays tseragrits'.

Yes uzum em ugharkel. aysinken, gerem Federate ? ayo? Sa karevor e. I would
like Federate to see the article and photos and to know if "Amen inch lav e?"
I would maybe not want to post it here unless he thinks it is lav. bari.

[Federate]

Re: Dashnaktsutyun - Armenian Revolutionary Federation

Baarev. yes gerem namak duk'.

ays pataskhan. gerum em duk hima. Yes ch'em haskanum hayeren, k'ich t'e shat,
voch. Yes mi kich gitem hayeren.

khent'rem, unem elektronayin ays lusanekar, Yes uzum em ugharkel norut'yun
NYC, Yes ch'egitem t'e inchpes ogtevel ays tseragrits'.

Yes uzum em ugharkel. aysinken, gerem Federate ? ayo? Sa karevor e. I would
like Federate to see the article and photos and to know if "Amen inch lav e?"
I would maybe not want to post it here unless he thinks it is lav. bari.

How are they posted in your email? If the article is a link or the entire article is written out in the email, just copy paste it. For the photos, you might have to upload them to somewhere like Photobucket or Imageshack and then link it here.

BTW, this thread is about ARF-related material so unless the article and photos are related to it, I recommend you open or find a new thread related to the post you want to make.

[Christina]

Re: Dashnaktsutyun - Armenian Revolutionary Federation

Yes yerakhtapart em. Khent'rum em, angleren ays songs?

I went to the three sites, and I saw the video of Lisboni 5.

Very historic song. It is a very proud song.

[Christina]

Re: Dashnaktsutyun - Armenian Revolutionary Federation

I typed the email and it was not sent the screen said! oh this is something else.
I am technically challenged.

akh! I wrote that I tried to copy and paste it and put into email and only a few
sentences went on the email. So no pictures! I do not want to say what it is
until you see it and review it for your approval. It is not a joke nor a prank.

This was emailed to me and there has to be a way to get it to you to review.

It is something I think we all need to know about. I emailed you I think.

[Christina]

Re: Dashnaktsutyun - Armenian Revolutionary Federation

BTW, I like how the bottom of your posts states: Azerbaboon.

You have a great sense of humor!

[Christina]

Re: Dashnaktsutyun - Armenian Revolutionary Federation

Who were the main song writers of the poplar songs of the ARF? Alot of the anthems
and songs are very old from the 19th c and early 20th c. Obviously. This is important
to keep the people to remember the historic events. That was also a way to keep it
interesting as alot of youth do not like to read a lot.

Also the people that were the country folk worked hard on their land, so who had
the time to read a history book? it was not always practical. They could sing the
songs and this kept their way of understanding their history and keeping them
a glued close knit community, as well as patriotic.

It reminds me of the story of Sparta. More or less, the cities would tell their
soldiers, die bravely in battle, but do not come back without your shield, and
come back proud. Each shield had a design of the region in Hellenic empire,
that represented the region and community. So when the soldiers would return,
the women danced in the streets, sang songs of the bravery and valor of their
men. These songs, like the stories of Homer, were sung to each generation,
as this was the way they kept intact their historic patriotism and pride of who
they were and what their country did.

For many centuries this is how the Greek people passed on these ancient events.

Only later, was the story of Homer and the Illyad, and the stories of the great
battles of Sparta and surrounding regions--were these written down. Then it
came that these stories had drawings in the books. Then it was available to
the masses.

I say this with all due respect.

(forgive me my spelling errors).

[Christina]

Re: Dashnaktsutyun - Armenian Revolutionary Federation

I am Greek with Armenian. I am wanting to learn the songs so I can better
understand the life of the people and to enjoy the songs with the history of the
proud fighters. The songs are amazing and some I like and others are okay, like the
farmers song. That only makes sense for those who were in the countryside, and
not the cities. That would make them proud. It does not appeal to any of us,
I assume, as we are in a modern spoilt world. We did not have to toil the land
and live that life as the older generation had to.

Greeks gave meaning toe the ultimate oath: "freedom or death."

[Mos]

Armenian Revolutionary Fed. - A Nuisance?

I will be upfront, I've never been a fan of the ARF and their policies. Their ways of threatening and blackmailing politicians, and at times interfering with the interests of the Republic of Armenia. Though they have done some good over time, I believe they've also done much harm and that harm has been done in the name of the Armenian nation, which is inaccurate since they do not represent the Armenian Republic!! But are mostly comprised of Western Armenian Diasporans who see issues in a more fanatical and heavily nationalistic way.

The moderate Armenian politicians see the same issues in a more practical and realistic way. The ARF sometimes fails to bring in the people and the local economy of Armenia into the picture, and focus on more nationalistic issues rather than focus on the welfare and well being of the real Armenian people in Armenia. A rather egotistical side I see.

Should it be made more clear to the international community that the ARF doesn't reflect the interests of Armenia? And the fact that most of them, being Western Armenians, many times solely seek justice and revenge for historical issues rather than focus on the issues affecting Armenian people now? Maybe a better idea would be to form a counter group to ARF that represents the interests of the Republic, and lobbies not against the government but with the government of Armenia.

Many people in Armenia are disillusioned with the ARF, and I having a relative in the National Assembly know first-hand that many politicians in the government are sick with the ARF branch in Armenia and find the whole organisation a nuisance in the state affairs and interests of Armenia. I hope Armenian government can properly distance itself from ARF, and additionally form a group to represent the real Armenian issues of Armenia.

[levon]

Re: Armenian Revolutionary Fed. - A Nuisance?

I will be upfront, I've never been a fan of the ARF and their policies. Their ways of threatening and blackmailing politicians, and at times interfering with the interests of the Republic of Armenia. Though they have done some good over time, I believe they've also done much harm and that harm has been done in the name of the Armenian nation, which is inaccurate since they do not represent the Armenian Republic!! But are mostly comprised of Western Armenian Diasporans who see issues in a more fanatical and heavily nationalistic way.

The moderate Armenian politicians see the same issues in a more practical and realistic way. The ARF sometimes fails to bring in the people and the local economy of Armenia into the picture, and focus on more nationalistic issues rather than focus on the welfare and well being of the real Armenian people in Armenia. A rather egotistical side I see.

Should it be made more clear to the international community that the ARF doesn't reflect the interests of Armenia? And the fact that most of them, being Western Armenians, many times solely seek justice and revenge for historical issues rather than focus on the issues affecting Armenian people now? Maybe a better idea would be to form a counter group to ARF that represents the interests of the Republic, and lobbies not against the government but with the government of Armenia.

Many people in Armenia are disillusioned with the ARF, and I having a relative in the National Assembly know first-hand that many politicians in the government are sick with the ARF branch in Armenia and find the whole organisation a nuisance in the state affairs and interests of Armenia. I hope Armenian government can properly distance itself from ARF, and additionally form a group to represent the real Armenian issues of Armenia.

Armenia, more than ever, needs a political party that is fanatical about Armenian statehood. This indirectly makes sure that retarded actions that provide quick profit for politicians but harm the nation in the long run are kept in check.

Furthermore, please do a bit more research on the activities of ARF, before you blindly throw hate at them. They may be fanatical at times, and their ideals have somewhat changed over the years, but they provide a much needed wake-up call for all those Armenians who have grown naive by thinking that Turks may be trusted, or that the west cares about Armenia.

[Joseph]

Re: Armenian Revolutionary Fed. - A Nuisance?

I will be upfront, I've never been a fan of the ARF and their policies. Their ways of threatening and blackmailing politicians, and at times interfering with the interests of the Republic of Armenia. Though they have done some good over time, I believe they've also done much harm and that harm has been done in the name of the Armenian nation, which is inaccurate since they do not represent the Armenian Republic!! But are mostly comprised of Western Armenian Diasporans who see issues in a more fanatical and heavily nationalistic way.

The moderate Armenian politicians see the same issues in a more practical and realistic way. The ARF sometimes fails to bring in the people and the local economy of Armenia into the picture, and focus on more nationalistic issues rather than focus on the welfare and well being of the real Armenian people in Armenia. A rather egotistical side I see.

Should it be made more clear to the international community that the ARF doesn't reflect the interests of Armenia? And the fact that most of them, being Western Armenians, many times solely seek justice and revenge for historical issues rather than focus on the issues affecting Armenian people now? Maybe a better idea would be to form a counter group to ARF that represents the interests of the Republic, and lobbies not against the government but with the government of Armenia.

Many people in Armenia are disillusioned with the ARF, and I having a relative in the National Assembly know first-hand that many politicians in the government are sick with the ARF branch in Armenia and find the whole organisation a nuisance in the state affairs and interests of Armenia. I hope Armenian government can properly distance itself from ARF, and additionally form a group to represent the real Armenian issues of Armenia.

I agree with some of what you wrote. I think some of the ARG goals are not realistic and that leads to them being counterproductive at times. But at the same time, the current non-ARF leaders and politicians in Armenian are an absolute joke. They are more often than not working on behalf of wanna be oligarchs, they are completely unsophisticated, have very little knowledge of realpolitic or the outside world for that matter. If Armenia was without the ARF and diaspora political support, Artsakh would now be in Azeri hands, there would be no alliance with Russia, and perhaps Armenia would now be province of Turkey and I'll bet they would still face the same geo-political problems they face today. After having witness the work (of shall I say laziness?) of Armenian diplomats here in the U.S., without diaspora support Armenia would in danger.