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  • Eastern Armenian pronunciation.

    Please, could someone answer these 2 questions for me?

    1) In Eastern Armenian, is the letter Յ/յ called hi or yi?

    2) In Eastern Armenian, is Jesus' name pronounced as Hisus or Yisus

    Thanks.

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    Re: Eastern Armenian pronunciation.

    1) Յ/ յ = hi

    2) Jesus= Hisus

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      Re: Eastern Armenian pronunciation.

      Originally posted by Lucin View Post
      1) Յ/ յ = hi

      2) Jesus= Hisus
      I think the letter Յ/յ is the only difference between Iranian and "Armenian" subsystems of the Eastern Armenian. In Armenia, the Յ/յ is exclusively for the "y@" sound as in կապույտ,կյանք,և այլն.

      The "h@" sound in Armenia is exclusively taken care of by the letter Հ/հ. I can't remember the words where the Iranian system uses Յ/յ for the "h@" sound. Lucin jan can you remind me.

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      • #4
        Re: Eastern Armenian pronunciation.

        Յ/յ = H sound at the beginning of the word

        Յ/յ = Y sound within the word

        For example:

        կապոյտ - Kapuyt

        Յարութիւն = Harutiun
        Last edited by Armenian; 10-22-2007, 09:28 AM.
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        • #5
          Re: Eastern Armenian pronunciation.

          This website is perfect for fine tuning the unique sounds of the Armenian language: http://www.menq.am/tarer_main.htm

          Մեր ժողովուրդն արանց հայրենասիրութեան այն է, ինչ որ մի մարմին' առանց հոգու:

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          • #6
            Re: Eastern Armenian pronunciation.

            Originally posted by karoaper View Post
            I think the letter Յ/յ is the only difference between Iranian and "Armenian" subsystems of the Eastern Armenian. In Armenia, the Յ/յ is exclusively for the "y@" sound as in կապույտ,կյանք,և այլն.
            Yes, Persian Armenians write as կեանք.

            As for կապոյտ, the story is different. It's ոյ (uy) and not յ alone, so it is considered one unique sound and it's the same for both of us in Iran and Armenia.

            The "h@" sound in Armenia is exclusively taken care of by the letter Հ/հ. I can't remember the words where the Iranian system uses Յ/յ for the "h@" sound. Lucin jan can you remind me.
            Յիսուս
            յատուկ
            յատկապէս
            յարաբերութիւն
            յետոյ
            յայտարարութիւն
            յեղափոխութիւն


            Actually there is no particular rule to know where you should put Յ/յ where Հ/ հ . You just have to memorize...

            Also:
            In Iran իւն = in Armenia յուն Ex: գրականութիւն = գրականություն

            Or:
            In Iran եան= in Armenia յան Ex: Մանուկեան = Մանուկյան
            Last edited by Lucin; 10-22-2007, 09:10 AM.

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              Re: Eastern Armenian pronunciation.

              Originally posted by Lucin View Post
              Yes, Persian Armenians write as կեանք.

              As for կապոյտ, the story is different. It's ոյ (uy) and not յ alone, so it is considered one unique sound and it's the same for both of us in Iran and Armenia.



              Յիսուս
              յատուկ
              յատկապէս
              յարաբերութիւն
              յետոյ
              յայտարարութիւն
              յեղափոխութիւն


              Actually there is no particular rule to know where you should put Յ/յ where Հ/ հ . You just have to memorize...

              Also:
              In Iran իւն = in Armenia յուն Ex: գրականութիւն = գրականություն

              Or:
              In Iran եան= in Armenia յան Ex: Մանուկեան = Մանուկյան
              Thanks. Respect for having to remember more stuff than I did in school.

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              • #8
                Re: Eastern Armenian pronunciation.

                Originally posted by karoaper View Post
                Thanks. Respect for having to remember more stuff than I did in school.
                The differences in grammar and spelling that Lucin has pointed out are the differences between Mesrobian Armenian grammar and the modern era grammar in Armenia which was altered, or simplified, by Soviet authorities. The Iranian-Armenian community maintains the best form of Armenian today. They have preserved the old Mesrobian character of the language, which Armenians in Armenia have lost, while preserving the correct pronunciations, which Western Armenians have lost.

                I just wish they did not chew or sing every word they speak...
                Մեր ժողովուրդն արանց հայրենասիրութեան այն է, ինչ որ մի մարմին' առանց հոգու:

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                • #9
                  Re: Eastern Armenian pronunciation.

                  Originally posted by Armenian View Post
                  I just wish they did not chew or sing every word they speak...
                  Yeah...I do my best to not chew but you know I am a bit singer and I can't help that since I'm surrounded by singers ( unless I live in Armenia for a while...)
                  I know it's not right but is it that "unpleasent"? Շատ տհա՞ ճ է ականջիտ:

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                    Re: Eastern Armenian pronunciation.

                    Originally posted by Lucin View Post
                    Yeah...I do my best to not chew but you know I am a bit singer and I can't help that since I'm surrounded by singers ( unless I live in Armenia for a while...) I know it's not right but is it that "unpleasent"? Շատ տհա՞ ճ է ականջիտ...
                    Don't you worry Lucin Jan, it sounds quite sexy when girls do it
                    Մեր ժողովուրդն արանց հայրենասիրութեան այն է, ինչ որ մի մարմին' առանց հոգու:

                    Նժդեհ


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