gor blimey

[Lucin]

Re: gor blimey

No, the continuous form/aspect does not exist in Armenian, regardless of the tense. We had the same conversation before and you failed to provide a single reference where it is said that the continuous form/aspect exists in Askharapar.

You said the continuous form is missing in all tenses whereas it is not missing in all tenses, even according to your given reference. Check it out once again.

No, it is "Ես կը քալեմ" is Western Armenian. Please be wise - and courteous - enough to double check before you display your ignorance with such confidence, and take the risk of misinforming others. If you're too lazy to consult a reference, then it suffices to google!

First of all, I just noticed the word "western" and that you were referring to the Western Armenian ( I wouldn't say a word about the Western Dialect since I'm not familiar with it), second of all, LOL, what's it got to do with 'courtesy'??

First of all, the conditional mode does not require an if condition; you are confusing the conditional mode and the conditional sentence. It is a mode, just like the subjunctive, to express the disposition of the subject (of the verb.)

Yes, but you hadn't specified that you were talking about the mode.

Most of all, the future, in Eastern Armenian, is "քալելու եմ."

LOL, What??? "Քալելու եմ" in Eastern Armenian??? No, it is "Քայլելու եմ". And don't you think you've got to practice what you preach?? And not display ignorance with such confidence??

[Siamanto]

Re: gor blimey

No, the continuous form/aspect does not exist in Armenian, regardless of the tense. We had the same conversation before and you failed to provide a single reference where it is said that the continuous form/aspect exists in Askharapar.

You said the continuous form is missing in all tenses whereas it is not missing in all tenses, even according to your given reference. Check it out once again.

I have checked, why don't you quote what you think is the continuous form/aspect - i.e. a syntactic construct, not a semantic usage?

No, it is "Ես կը քալեմ" is Western Armenian. Please be wise - and courteous - enough to double check before you display your ignorance with such confidence, and take the risk of misinforming others. If you're too lazy to consult a reference, then it suffices to google!

First of all, I just noticed the word "western" and that you were referring to the Western Armenian ( I wouldn't say a word about the Western Dialect since I'm not familiar with it), second of all, LOL, what's it got to do with 'courtesy'??

First of all, maybe you should read a bit more carefully, before you "pull the trigger???"
Second of all, in Eastern Armenian, it is "Ես կքայլեմ," not "Ես կ'քայլ եմ" - two errors!!!
Third of all, failing to make enough effort to consult a reference while being pompously pretentious can be considered as a lack of courtesy.

First of all, the conditional mode does not require an if condition; you are confusing the conditional mode and the conditional sentence. It is a mode, just like the subjunctive, to express the disposition of the subject (of the verb.)

Yes, but you hadn't specified that you were talking about the mode.

LOL Nice one! I see that you kept your "sense of humor?????" When verb syntax is in question, do you think that the focus would be the conditional mode or the conditional sentence?

Most of all, the future, in Eastern Armenian, is "քալելու եմ."

LOL, What??? "Քալելու եմ" in Eastern Armenian??? No, it is "Քայլելու եմ".

Yes! Thanks for the correction. I can't type in Armenian, so I cut and paste - it's error prone.

And don't you think you've got to practice what you preach?? And not display ignorance with such confidence??

I certainly practice what I preach! The focus was not the "յ" - i.e. the spelling of "Քալել/Քայլել," it was the conditional mode vs. the future tense. Can't you stay focused???

[Siamanto]

Re: gor blimey

Լուսին ջան, կարոտում էի քեզ: Ինչպես՞ ես: Վերջերս շատ չես երեվում այս քայկում, հուսամ ամենինչ լաւ է քո հետ: Համենայն դեպս, այս «Սիամանթո» կոչվաձի հետ վիճելը ամբողչովին անիմաստ բան է: Ինչպես բոլորս տեսնումենք նրա վերաբերմունքից, ակնհայտ է որ նա լուրջ հոգեկան հիվանդութիւն կամ խանգարում ունի: Մի խոսքով - առի ցեխին քար չ'գցենք:

Just curious, does it make you feel better to delete a previously posted message to immediately repost it at the end? The psychologist in me is a bit intrigued and amused.

[Armenian]

Re: gor blimey

Լուսին ջան, կարոտում էի քեզ: Ինչպես՞ ես: Վերջերս շատ չես երեվում այս քայկում, հուսամ ամենինչ լաւ է քո հետ: Համենայն դեպս, այս «Սիամանթո» կոչվաձի հետ վիճելը ամբողչովին անիմաստ բան է: Ինչպես բոլորս տեսնումենք նրա վերաբերմունքից, ակնհայտ է որ նա լուրջ հոգեկան հիվանդութիւն կամ խանգարում ունի: Մի խոսքով - առի ցեխին քար չ'գցենք:

[womble]

Re: gor blimey

The "a" (ա) in Eastern Armenian that person referred to is the "e" (է) in Western Armenian.

Example:

He is a soldier

Eastern Arm - Նա զինվորա (transliteration - na zinvora)

Western Arm - Ան զինվոր է (transliteration - an zinvor e, as in the "e" in elephant)

Thanks, Armenian.

[Lucin]

Re: gor blimey

I have checked, why don't you quote what you think is the continuous form/aspect - i.e. a syntactic construct, not a semantic usage?

So, now you are doing some modifications on what you had said previously and rephrasing it the way it pleases you. Nice try! Let me quote you what you had said previously, again and answer it:

the continuous aspect/form is missing in Armenian - in all tenses.

You may agree that what is referred to as continuous 'form' is not a mode ( unlike conditional or subjunctive or indicative) but it may be considered a form which is being represented by tenses – past, present, future- the present does not exist as a separate tense- the future exists in my opinion but didn't find anything on the given site- the past definitely exists:

Section 148:

Նա գնացել է տուն:
He went home.
Ես աշխատում էի պարտեզում:
I was working in the garden.
Դուք լսեցիք իմ ընկերոջ ձայնը:
You heard my friend's voice.

First of all, maybe you should read a bit more carefully, before you "pull the trigger???"
Second of all, in Eastern Armenian, it is "Ես կքայլեմ," not "Ես կ'քայլ եմ" - two errors!!!

LOL, first of all, it is not "Ես կքայլեմ," in Eastern Armenian, it is "Ես կը քայլեմ " - 'ք' is a consonant so we definitely need a 'ը' and then a space, second of all when have I said "Ես կ'քայլ եմ" ?? Two errors, right?

Third of all, failing to make enough effort to consult a reference while being pompously pretentious can be considered as a lack of courtesy.

So? You made a similar error Siamanto, right above. What is the problem? May I remind you as well to read/ check carefully before you pull the trigger?? Again no relevance to a "pretentious" attitude.

Yes! Thanks for the correction. I can't type in Armenian, so I cut and paste - it's error prone.

It is understandable. We are all error prone.

I certainly practice what I preach! The focus was not the "յ" - i.e. the spelling of "Քալել/Քայլել," it was the conditional mode vs. the future tense. Can't you stay focused???

I am certainly focused but the error you made as "little" as it may sound to you, it leads to confusion as clearly it is a switch to Western Armenian where you guys say: Քալելու եմ.

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The following is probably another mistake in this site: for both I listened and I was listening it suggests only լսում էի in Armenian, while one should be; լսեցի/ I listened and the other լսում էի/ I was listening:

Section 151
The past imperfective tense shows an action that happened in the past. It is formed by means of the present participle and personal forms of the auxiliary verb of the past tense.
Singular Plural
1. լսում էի I listened/was listening 1. լսում էինք we listened/were listening 2. լսում էիր you listened 2. լսում էիք you listened 3. լսում էր he listened 3. լսում էին they listened
1. գնում էի I went/was going 1. գնում էինք we went/were going 2. գնում էիր you went 2. գնում էիք you went 3. գնում էր he went 3. գնում էին they went

[zourna]

Re: gor blimey

I think it's too late now to furthur dispute on the matter. Whomble already chose to reference Armenian.

But am still confused...

[Lucin]

Re: gor blimey

Լուսին ջան, կարոտում էի քեզ: Ինչպես՞ ես: Վերջերս շատ չես երեվում այս քայկում, հուսամ ամենինչ լաւ է քո հետ:

«Լա՜ւ» : Չէ բայց անտանելի ցուրտ էր էս տարի էստեղ, ուժեղ մրսել եմ, մատս էլ «կոտրել» եմ: Ուղղակի տրամադրութիւն էլ չունէի…
Շնորհակալ եմ ուշադրութիւնիցդ:

But am still confused...

Confused about which part??

[zourna]

Re: gor blimey

ուշադրութիւնիցդ

Wow! I think anything goes as far as the terminal displays it as Armenian type.

Get well soon by the way, Lucin

[Siamanto]

Re: gor blimey

I have checked, why don't you quote what you think is the continuous form/aspect - i.e. a syntactic construct, not a semantic usage?

So, now you are doing some modifications on what you had said previously and rephrasing it the way it pleases you. Nice try! Let me quote you what you had said previously, again and answer it:

the continuous aspect/form is missing in Armenian - in all tenses

LOL Are you simply confused or trying to confuse the situation? How is it different from what I repeated many times i.e.
"You're simply confusing your subjective appreciation of the usage of an expression (i.e. semantics) and well defined grammatical rules (i.e. syntax?)"

I see that your focusing - and/or reading - skills did not improve??? s

You may agree that what is referred to as continuous 'form' is not a mode ( unlike conditional or subjunctive or indicative) but it may be considered a form which is being represented by tenses – past, present, future- the present does not exist as a separate tense- the future exists in my opinion but didn't find anything on the given site- the past definitely exists:

Section 148:

Նա գնացել է տուն:
He went home.
Ես աշխատում էի պարտեզում:
I was working in the garden.
Դուք լսեցիք իմ ընկերոջ ձայնը:
You heard my friend's voice.

First of all, where does it say that "աշխատում էի" is the continuous form/aspect? ""աշխատում էի" is the "past imperfective." I think that you're totally confused; " I was working" is just an approximate translation based on semantics.
Second of all, the continuous form is an aspect and has nothing to do with a tense. Again, I think that you're just confusing different grammatical concepts.
Most of all, the Section 148 that you have quoted [b] clearly confirms what I suspect i.e.
"You're simply confusing your subjective appreciation of the usage of an expression (i.e. semantics) and well defined grammatical rules (i.e. syntax?)"

First of all, maybe you should read a bit more carefully, before you "pull the trigger???"
Second of all, in Eastern Armenian, it is "Ես կքայլեմ," not "Ես կ'քայլ եմ" - two errors!!!

LOL, first of all, it is not "Ես կքայլեմ," in Eastern Armenian, it is "Ես կը քայլեմ " - 'ք' is a consonant so we definitely need a 'ը' and then a space, second of all when have I said "Ես կ'քայլ եմ" ?? Two errors, right?

LOL Are you rewriting the Armenian Grammar as it fits you? The following suggests that the a consonant does not require an "a 'ը' and then a space."

Section 166
...

1. գնամ գնանք կգնամ I will go կգնանք we will go 2. գնաս գնաք կգնաս you - - կգնաք you - - 3. գնա գնան կգնա he - - կգնան they - -

Also, though the existence of a Web document may not be enough to verify, but it gives an indication. Please produce a single Web document where "Ես կ'քայլ եմ" - or "Ես կ'քայլեմ" - is considered as Armenian. However, you will find documents with "Ես կքայլեմ."

For the record: The second error is the space between "քայլ" and "եմ."

Third of all, failing to make enough effort to consult a reference while being pompously pretentious can be considered as a lack of courtesy.

So? You made a similar error Siamanto, right above. What is the problem? May I remind you as well to read/ check carefully before you pull the trigger?? Again no relevance to a "pretentious" attitude.

The situation is not the same: I have explained that it was a typo; furthermore, the focus was the mode of the verb, not the spelling.
I'm sorry to say that you constantly make nonsensical statements that could be easily verified and avoided!

Yes! Thanks for the correction. I can't type in Armenian, so I cut and paste - it's error prone.

It is understandable. We are all error prone.

The difference is that I have the honesty to admit my errors; while you ad infiitum complicate and confuse the situation, as if you were unable of Intellectual Integrity???
Whatever explains your unwillingness - or incapacity - to face the facts, it results in a waste of time.

I certainly practice what I preach! The focus was not the "յ" - i.e. the spelling of "Քալել/Քայլել," it was the conditional mode vs. the future tense. Can't you stay focused???

I am certainly focused but the error you made as "little" as it may sound to you, it leads to confusion as clearly it is a switch to Western Armenian where you guys say: Քալելու եմ.

LOL So limiting oneself to what does not matter in the context while ignoring what is being debated is "focusing???" I like your "sense of humor!" Also, how does it "lead to confusion as clearly it is a switch to Western Armenian where [it is] Քալելու եմ???"

The following is probably another mistake in this site: for both I listened and I was listening it suggests only լսում էի in Armenian, while one should be; լսեցի/ I listened and the other լսում էի/ I was listening:

Section 151

The past imperfective tense shows an action that happened in the past. It is formed by means of the present participle and personal forms of the auxiliary verb of the past tense.
Singular Plural
1. լսում էի I listened/was listening 1. լսում էինք we listened/were listening 2. լսում էիր you listened 2. լսում էիք you listened 3. լսում էր he listened 3. լսում էին they listened
1. գնում էի I went/was going 1. գնում էինք we went/were going 2. գնում էիր you went 2. գնում էիք you went 3. գնում էր he went 3. գնում էին they went

Where is the "mistake?" I really suggest that you give a chance to the idea of checking and reading carefully!

Section 151 covers the Past imperfective i.e. "լսում էի." The Past perfect tense i.e. "լսեցի" is covered is Section 161.
I'm sorry but the difference is basic in any grammar!