Who is an Armenian?

[Armanen]

Re: Who is an Armenian?

I will be encouraging others to donate as well.

I've even thought about inquiring about an internship there, who knows maybe one day I will work there, that would be great.

[yerazhishda]

Re: Who is an Armenian?

I agree that one shouldn't donate egregious amounts of money in the diaspora (outside of cultural/language programs, and even church renovations). This is why I support primarily charities that are based in and working towards improving the Republic such as FAR.

[Armenian]

Re: Who is an Armenian?

Living in one of the countries mentioned, I don't think what you're saying is correct. With the 10+ Armenian schools, 1 Armenian university, 3 Armenian political parties and many Armenian organizations in this small country

You must be "Krazy" if you think you will maintain that status forever. Tell me, how is the Armenian community in Lebanon doing today compared to the early 1970s? And don't blame the civil war, it's the Middle East, and wars there are as inevitable as the sun rising in the morning. And tell me how close you are to your ancestral homeland, Armenia? Not by words, but by action.

If you are a typical 'proud' Lebanese-Armenian:

You have not set foot in Armenia, although it's literally couple of hours away.

And if you did go to Armenia as a tourist (and not on a gold/diamond buying spree) you probably did not enjoy yourself very much.

You look down at Armenians from Armenia as being either xxxxs or crooks, depending on the gender.

You complain that they speak Armenian mixed with Russian - while you speak Armenian mixed with Turkish, Arabic, French and English.

You feel 'culturally' much closer to Arabs, sometimes the French, and whether you admit it or not, Turks.

I think we are doing a good job to remain Armenians. Here in Lebanon, we even get blamed of not considering ourselves Lebanese.

"Remain Armenians" to what end, Krazy? Living in the diaspora is one thing, but proudly boasting a 'diaspora forever' attitude is counterproductive. What matters in any discussion about Armenians is the well being of the Armenian Republic. Regardless of what you want to believe, the diaspora is a dead end. While the Diaspora exists it should exists for the benefit of the Armenian Republic. Other than an insignificant number of fighters and some small scale benefactors, what has the majority of the proud and nationalistic Lebanese Armenian community done for Armenia?

For me, a single repatriated Armenian in Armenia, or an Armenian that keeps an intimate connection with his/her homeland, is worth more than the entire Armenian diaspora.

Your expectations are set too high, Armenian,

My expectations are no higher than yours, enker. I expect Armenians regardless of where they live to look towards Armenia as their homeland and stop their clannish behavior, this goes for Armenians from Armenia as well. To me, an assimilated Armenian in the West and a proud Armenian without connections to his/her motherland in Lebanon are the same shit. Actually, I would be able to tolerate the assimilated Armenian better...

Lebanese-Armenians, like all Diasporans, have a legitimate reason of not speaking perfect Armenian. However, the same cannot be true for the motherland where everything is in Armenian, everyone is Armenian and it has been independent of Soviet rule for almost 20 years now. Lebanese-Armenians, despite all the slang (slang also present in Armenia), probably have the best education/knowledge of Armenian among the Diaspora.

In reality the opposite was true during the Soviet Years. Moscow suppressed the usage of the Armenian language. The best schools in Armenia operated in Russian. And I would prefer the ugly street slang of Yerevan over the Arabic-Turkish crap spoken in the streets of Burj hamood. Nonetheless, the stature of Armenians in Lebanon is decreasing yearly.

Lebanon is regularly the top investor in Armenia, even more than Russia (probably up until this year, when the Russian government injected a bunch). For example, see this link from last year http://www.huliq.com/23623/armenia-p...stments-in-q-1 .

Dude, please. This is betting silly now. What you are doing here is spin. Russia is said to have invested about a billion dollars into the Armenian economy last year and hundreds of millions in the preceding years and you happened to have found a small time segment on the calendar where Lebanon did better? Get real, please. Over a billion dollars gets pumped into Armenia from Russia annually. Why don't you look into that investment from Lebanon. Was it Armenians in Lebanon or was it some inter-governmental deal between Yerevan and Beirut. What has Lebanon done before that and after that? The fact remains, other than a handful of outstanding individuals, I have not seen anything of substance from Armenians of Lebanon.

They're not all that bad, they should serve as a model for all the Diaspora communities.

I agree that not all are bad, but a vast majority are worthless. And their disdain towards the homeland and its people, regardless of "akhpar", "46-48," "Levon" (who is an Akhpar by the way), is despicable and inexcusable.

I have in my family individuals that would never even think about stepping foot in Armenia. I many know individuals that say Western Armenia is their homeland and not the current republic in the Caucasus. I know many individuals that look upon Armenians from Armenia as lowlives. And these people that I'm talking about, my relatives and friends of my relatives, are "proud Armenians" - like the rest of the Lebanese Armenians. But you tell me, Federate. What good are they as Armenians?

An assimilated Armenian is no longer Armenian my friend, they are just as good as odars.

I'm fully capable of appreciating an odar''s company, although my friends are primarily Armenians. I think there is a lot we Armenians can learn from certain westerners.However, when I come across "proud" Armenians who are anti-Armenia I cant find anything redeemable in them. Perhaps one day they may wake up from their stupidity but I am not going to waste my time waiting for them...

It's not silly my friend, I am not spinning anything. That figure was from 2007, here's one from 2005 http://www.armeniadiaspora.net/ADC/news.asp?id=213 . Mind you that the community like you said is shrinking (you claimed less than 100 000) so the investments will generally fall. Russia has over 2 million Armenians, many of them generous billionaires and many of them with family in Armenia, on top of the country being our big brother. It is expected to happen.

These figures are very misleading, enker. So, based on that list of top foreign investors in Armenia Greece is supposedly a top investor as well? The money that pushed Greece to the top of the list has to do with a single project, one investment, Armentel, never mind that they totally fucked it up and eventually sold it to the Russians. With the Lebanese investment, the 50-60 million dollar figure probably has to do with the Lebanon based Vivacell, Armenia's largest wireless company, which was also then sold to the Russians last year (for over $400 million). Nonetheless, Russia has been by far Armenia's largest trading partner to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars annually. Without Russian trade, investment and money transactions Armenia simply would not survive. Let's not create fairytales regarding Lebanon. Please.

[Armenian]

Re: Who is an Armenian?

I did not say the Armenian government must control the lives of the Diaspora Armenians, but they can promote the Armenian heritage, culture and history by way of ''propaganda'' (telling the truth, whereas Turkey is telling lies as propaganda). Turkey and Israel (ofcourse not comparable with our budget) both have a strong connection with their Diaspora, both having a huge propaganda-information-machine...

Enker, this is what I mean by you sounding silly. You are comparing Armenia, a tiny, resourceless, impoverished, landlocked, embattled nation in the Caucasus with Turkey and Israel?!?!?!

This is ludicrous.

Did you realize that Turkey has one of the biggest economies in the world. Turkey is Europe's China. Istanbul hosts the world's fourth largest group of 'Billionaires' - after Moscow, New York and London. The Turkish army is the second largest in Europe, second only to Russia. And don't even attempt to bring up the Zionist State in comparison to Armenia.

Damn. What is wrong with you Armenians???

Who else but Armenia herself can attract the Diaspora Armenians? Thus I believe it is the task of the Armenian government to promote our cultural heritage, to promote repatriation (to involve in the communities of the Armenia Diaspora) and when they fail in this important aspect, the blaim is also on independent Armenia herself.

Leave the government in Armenia alone and let them do their jobs. Like I said, given our resources, they will have a hard enough time protecting our borders. You, I and every other self-respecting Armenian in the diaspora has the obligation to promote Armenia to compensate for our lack of resources. We, the grass roots of the surviving diaspora, have to take it upon ourselves to promote Armenia. Figure out how you can participate in promoting Armenian interests.

I totally disagree that a nation's government is a reflection of the nation. A lot of government's in the world came in power through force and corruption, not by the will of the people. Armenia deserves the best politician. There are a lot of ''obvious'' things our government neglects or does wrong,

Generally speaking, governments are a reflection of the people they rule over. This does not apply to situations like Iraq where governmental change was brought upon by foreigners by the use of force. Take a close look at various other nations, Turkey, Russia, EU, India, USA, Britain, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and you shall see that in essence the rulers reflect the very nature and character of the people they rule over. So, yes. Our corrupt oligarchs and our ignorant politicians reflect the current state of our people's character.

I wonder if you read the articles of Dr. Armen Ayvazyan?

I know him personally. I have great respect for him. Although he engages in "constructive criticisms" (something Armenians don't want to learn) of the Armenian government, he nevertheless would love to land a position with the current government; and he considers Levon Ter Petrosian a treasonous criminal as well.

Can you explain to me for example, why the government still does not have a ''plan'' as regards showing the map of Armenia/Artsakh?

The map of Artsakh is a major global geopolitical issue, its outcome can have very serious consequences internationally. Realize that it took Russia, a nuclear superpower, close to twenty years to bring Abkhazia and South Ossetia back under its fold and its will probably take another twenty years if not more to bring Crimea back to Russia. And here we are acting big over Artsakh. If the global community really wanted to get Armenians out of Artsakh do you actually think Armenia could successfully refuse? Anyway, the Armenian government is not going to compromise serious diplomacy or/or political maneuvering just to satisfy your whims, however good intentioned they may be. It may one day come down to pulling back from some of the areas in Artsakh, maybe not. However, the final determinant will not be based on our wishes, nor will the final determination be made by you, I, or even the Armenian president. Take a close look at who and what we are in the world today. There are 'much bigger' and 'much more powerful' forces at play here. Little hint: Russia is the key to our success. As long as Moscow sees our Armenia as a strategically important ally Artsakh is not going anywhere, and it may even further increase in size. Nonetheless, we all need to hope for the best. However, I have no doubt that the current administration in Yerevan can be fully trusted to do the right thing regarding Armenia/Artsakh.

Why does the Armenian government fail to react to the ''Khojaly suicide-massacres'' by brining the slaughter forward in Baku and Sumgait?

One of the more obvious answers here is - complacency. We are the victors, we have Russia's backing, we enjoy good relations with Iran, we enjoy good relations with the EU and the US... So, in a sense, we don't care. I agree with you that the government should be more aggressive and proactive regarding these types of matters.

I heard Seyran Ohanyan lives in a small appartment in downtown Yerevan,

In my opinion, Seyran Ohanian deserves a palace. He is one of our 'very few' professional and seasoned warriors. My respects for Sargsyan to recognize this about Ohanian.

I do not think ''true nationalist'' can save up tens of millions of dollars like our president Serge Sarkisyan and Robert Kocharian (tsakhadzor resort, companies, restaurants, bank), living in a villa whereas other brothers and sisters live in small boxes where they have been living in for 20 years after the Gyumri earthquake. No, a true nationalist would give all his money building new homes for our poor brothers and sisters throughout Armenia.

Enker, you are still very young, inexperienced and naive. You still need to understand the world you live in. And I mean no offense by saying this. I was the same... You are talking about 'human' failings. The Nazis, the epitome of nationalism, were guilty of the same crimes. In relative terms, the same could be said of every single nation on earth today, including the best of the West. Men will be men, and regardless of ideology there will always be gluttony, greed, and corruption amongst rulers. Don't forget, rulers of a nation reflect the people of the nation. I have absolutely no problems with Sargsyan making millions, if not billions, due to his connections as president. If anyone should be filthy rich it should be the president.

And all those Armos in LA, Beirut or Yerevan that complain about Sargsyan/Kocharyan doing this and that - would be the first ones doing this and that if they were in power.

My advise, learn to accept/understand/deal with the corruptible nature of mankind, you'll be a much happier person for it.

And don't believe in the majority of the stupid rumors revolving about Sargsyan and Kocharyan. Armenians, as a people, love to 'gossip' and 'destructive' gossip is what they excel in.

Let's please end this conversation.

[Armenian]

Re: Who is an Armenian?

Armenian, you raise an important point here: You, I and every other self-respecting Armenian in the diaspora has the obligation to promote Armenia to compensate for our lack of resources. We, the grass roots of the surviving diaspora, have to take it upon ourselves to promote Armenia. Figure out how you can participate in promoting Armenian interests. In what ways do you believe tangible contributions can be made by Armenians worldwide? Keeping in mind the diversity of Armenians do you have more then one recommendation so that involvement can be on a wider scale and focused on multiple fronts?

You have raised a 'personal' question. Personal, in the sense that the answer to your question is dependent upon the capabilities of the individual answering it.

In my opinion, however, regardless of where an Armenian lives and who an Armenian is married to - be it Armenian, European, Middle Easterner or Asian - the primary task of an Armenian parent/parents is to raise first and foremost - Armenians. This is the 'fundamental' base from upon which the answer of your question can be derived from in the longterm. And raising Armenians essentially means raising a child that is secure with his/her identity, sees the Armenian Republic as his/her homeland and sees Armenians living there as compatriots. This is the fundamental key to solving all our problems. Each and everyone of us has an obligation, especially in the diaspora, to nurture a healthy sense of Armenianism in our offsprings. The sad reality of the matter is, however, the vast majority of the Armenian diaspora today as well as a significant portion of the Armenian population in our republic is either lost or worthless to the republic.

There are many things an individual can do to promote Armenia, use you imagination. Of the more immediate things that can be done are the following:

If wealthy, invest in the country. If entrepreneurial, start a business in the county. If professional, and financially secure, do your profession in the country. If young, and a citizen of the republic, serve in the military of the country. If a student in the diaspora, write your school thesis/paper/report on relevant Armenian topics. If a no body, try hard to become something in life.

Talk to your non-Armenian peers about your heritage and homeland. Post information on the web (discussion forums/YouTube) pertaining to Armenia and Armenians. Write articles in local Armenian papers pertaining to Armenia and Armenians. Partake in important community affairs that have to do with the Armenian Republic. Volunteer to serve within one of several organizations that carry out important cultural/social/professional services in the republic...

One can also support good Armenian organizations in the diaspora such as the ANC or the ARF. I also need to mention here that one should not support stooges in our communities that work for the US government, entities such as the Armenian Assembly and various English language news media outlets such as ArmeniaNow and Radio Liberty. Do not support or read materials produced by American based Armenian historians such as Nina Grsoian, Richard Hovanesian, Ronald Suny and director of Armenian studies at Harvard, James Russel, a Zionist Jew.

Nevertheless, and most of all, as the other members here have correctly stated, and it can't be overemphasized - we diasporans need to either move to Armenia or vacation there. At the very least, even if you don't do any of the above, I would like to see diasporan Armenians frequently visiting the Armenian republic and perhaps purchasing a home there, place where they can call home in the homeland.

It is said that there are around ten million Armenians in the world today, and many more if we take into account those assimilated during the past several generations. Just imagine. If a significant portion, not even a majority, perhaps 1/4 or 1/3 of out total population, did any of the above, Armenia would be a powerful self-sustaining/self-reliant nation. The potential is there.

And there is no need to engage in pessimistic talk about none of this coming to fruition because of this or that...

Just do 'your' part. Take it upon 'yourself' to do it and set a good example for others. You can be one of the greatest promotions/assets/tools/resources of the Armenian Republic.

Regardless of where one lives Armenia should be consider homeland



Վարդանանք http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hivQiSAEAC4&NR=1

This is Armenia! [Part 1]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rplovmZKNYI

This is Armenia! [Part 2] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECmtd...eature=related

Armenia (CNN commercial): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=addR8C-8qJs

Armenia on CNN (Part2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uAb0...eature=related

[Armenian]

Re: Who is an Armenian?

Speaking of asswipes in America that call themselves historians of Armenian studies, or even worst, Armenologists, the following series of video presentations reveal how individuals, or groups of individuals, can promote Armenia and Armenian heritage simply by vociferously denouncing self-hating Armenians, foreign agents and revisionist historians in our midst.

Note: Some years ago I used to write about various issues relating to Armenia in various Armenian newspapers, including denunciations of so-called Armenian historians, including the Zionist James Russel. Seeing that some of my writings were getting a lot of attention I stopped. I then decided to put my writings on the web, anonymously, for young Armenians to read.

Falsifiers of Armenian History Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6VrO2WBx4A

Falsifiers of Armenian History Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmuEY0xa-xQ

Falsifiers of Armenian History Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faicWRgxwaA

And here is a very interesting exchange between the Zionist director of Armenian studies at Harvard and a lone courageous Armenian warrior with a camera. Just think, how could American-Armenians allow such filth become director of Armenian studies at Harvard. I rather have no department of Armenian studies if this is our only choice. And it's a shame that this anti-Armenian Zionist speaks better Armenian than most of you "proud nationalists" here...

VARDANANK J Russell PART 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn6jseb5jHM

VARDANANK J Russell PART 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixGmJCTOF0Q

VARDANANK J Russell PART 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b81X7vP7tw

[Lucin]

Re: Who is an Armenian?

And here is a very interesting exchange between the Zionist director of Armenian studies at Harvard and a lone courageous Armenian warrior with a camera. Just think, how could American-Armenians allow such filth become director of Armenian studies at Harvard. I rather have no department of Armenian studies if this is our only choice. And it's a shame that this anti-Armenian Zionist speaks better Armenian than most of you "proud nationalists" here...

VARDANANK J Russell PART 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wn6jseb5jHM

VARDANANK J Russell PART 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixGmJCTOF0Q

VARDANANK J Russell PART 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b81X7vP7tw

Thank you for bringing this into our attention. It's amazing how he avoids looking in the eyes of the reporter like a frightened mouse. You can tell his eyes are lying. I think Armen Ayvazian has also denounced him, not sure what he had said.

[Armenian]

Re: Who is an Armenian?

A little dose of classic Armenology...

ՆԵՄՐՈՒԹ ԼԵՌ ՀԱՅԵՐԵՆ ՄԱՍ_1_ԻՆ NEMRUT LER ARMENIAN PART_1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWC02_EP7Uo

ՆԵՄՐՈՒԹ ԼԵՌ ՀԱՅԵՐԵՆ ՄԱՍ_2_ՐԴ NEMRUT LER ARMENIAN PART_2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gym2DDRn4V0

ՆԵՄՐՈՒԹ ԼԵՌ ՀԱՅԵՐԵՆ ՄԱՍ_3_ՐԴ NEMRUT LER ARMENIAN PART_3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmV1lKbnQZg

ՏԻԳՐԱՆ ՄԵԾ ՄԱՍ_1_ԻՆ TIGRAN METS PART_1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3ySsSBFh9c

ՏԻԳՐԱՆ ՄԵԾ ՄԱՍ_2_ՐԴ TIGRAN METS PART_2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vh81Bz3v8I8

ՏԻԳՐԱՆ ՄԵԾ ՄԱՍ_3_ՐԴ TIGRAN METS PART_3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u28_WMfNPzA

ՆԵՄՐՈՒԹ ԼԵՌ ՀԱՅԵՐԵՆ ՄԱՍ_4_ՐԴ NEMRUT LER ARMENIAN PART_4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhgvB3JFjHo&NR=1

ՆԵՄՐՈՒԹ ԼԵՌ ՀԱՅԵՐԵՆ ՄԱՍ_5_ՐԴ NEMRUT LER ARMENIAN PART_5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI9WMSAICbU

ԱՐ ԱՐԱՐԻՉ ՄԱՍ_1_ԻՆ AR ARARICH PART_1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt2n35bDVkw

ԱՐ ԱՐԱՐԻՉ ՄԱՍ_2_ՐԴ AR ARARICH PART_2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I__qfJGfmcc

ՀԱՅԿ ՆԱՀԱՊԵՏ ՄԱՍ_2_ՐԴ HYK NAHAPET PART_2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mwbIHbImDs

ՀԱՅԿ ՆԱՀԱՊԵՏ ՄԱՍ_1_ԻՆ HYK NAHAPET PART_1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKA-v0VFRS0

ԾԱԳՈՒՄԸ ՄԱՍ_1_ԻՆ TSAGUME PART_1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgPXL0WuDrU

ԾԱԳՈՒՄԸ ՄԱՍ_2_ՐԴ TSAGUME PART_2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVVVyVme95w

ԱՐԱՏՏԱ ՄԱՍ_1_ԻՆ ARATTA PART_1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcgoqjuvxbQ

ԱՐԱՏՏԱ ՄԱՍ_2_ՐԴ ARATTA PART_2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JprbzfP0g_g

ԾԻՐԱՆ ՄԱՍ_1_ԻՆ TSIRAN PART_1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhnZoU--9Ss

ԾԻՐԱՆ ՄԱՍ_2_ՐԴ TSIRAN PART_2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjnMa9o92kA

ԽԵԹԵՐԸ ՄԱՍ_1_ԻՆ XETERE PART_1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKBlUIgYE5o

ԽԵԹԵՐԸ ՄԱՍ_2_ՐԴ XETERE PART_2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfUD3oQXqrs

Աղբյուր: http://www.youtube.com/user/alosevan

[Tigranakert]

Re: Who is an Armenian?

I have watched the video's of the Falsifiers of Armenian History. Thank you for sharing this interesting video, I heard about this some time ago but I did not know these falsifications were made in such a large scale. What about the Armenian organizations in America, doesn't the ANCA respond to these allegations?

In the Netherlands there is also a ''professor'' of Armenian studies, he is also, by ''coincidience'', a j-e-w. His name is Weitenberg. If i'm not wrong, he came to the conclusion that Ararat was not an ancient holy Armenian mountain, and he has even Armenian students who believe him. What did we do that the j-e-w-s are so scared of us Armenians and the truth?

[jgk3]

Re: Who is an Armenian?

excelling banking and commerce maybe?