Armenian cognates w/other languages

[womble]

Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages

Eastern Armenian: Varum (driving) - English: Vroom-vroom!!!!

[jgk3]

Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages

Russian/Armenian cognates (loan words?)

Cerdtse/Sirt - heart

Not loan word, inheritance from PIE. English "heart" and French "coeur" are also systematically related to them.

[yerazhishda]

Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages

Russian/Armenian cognates (loan words?)

Tetrat/Tetr(ag) - exercise book
Cerdtse/Sirt - heart

[jgk3]

Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages

Did anyone say

yugh (oil)?

reminding those who don't see how that "gh" in Armenian is a sound change from PIE "l"

[jgk3]

Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages

noren/again (doubt it, "nor" in noren means new, is there anything in "again" that suggests such a meaning or any particle that could possibly be related to a root form's meaning? If so, find it for me)
gogort/throat (makes sense)
yergoo/two (yes)
hayrur/hundred (yes)
cherm/warm (most probably)
kerezman/cemetary (implausible, the oldest root form we could get for cemetery is Greek "koimē- (var. s. of koimân to put to sleep) + -tērion suffix of locality [from dictionary.com]. The koime- root has more to do with Armenian "kenal" or "kenanal" than anything in kerezman)
sdorakrutyun/signature (implausible, right off the bat: compound particle "kerel" finds no cognate in signature)
khoomp/group (makes sense)
tshnami/enemy (makes sense)

Glad to see this thread come alive again!

[womble]

Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages

I remember hearing that the musical instrument, the lute, takes its name from the Arabic al ud, meaning 'the wood'. I wonder if the word duduk comes from the same root.

[ArmSurvival]

Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages

Not sure about these, but they sound similar to me:

noren/again
gogort/throat
yergoo/two
haryur/hundred
cherm/warm
kerezman/cemetary
sdorakrutyun/signature
khoomp/group
tshnami/enemy

[Lucin]

Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages

Revised list for Armenian-English:

Kov (Cow), muk (mouse), sqiyur (squirrel), vagr (tiger), katu (cat), shun (hound), lusin (lunar), lus-aber (light bearer/Lucifer), armuk (elbow), ach (eye), vod (foot), mek (mono), tasn (ten), hinq (five), ut/okht (eight), in (nine), chors (four), get (wet), tur (door), ber (bear/burden), qar/qarord (quarter/four), tarnal (to turn), ser (sex), eight, serm (sperm), karq (cart), hot (herd), jisht (just), her (hair), shakal (jackal), ut-el (eat), ls-el (to listen), es-el (to say), qar (rock pronounced backwards), kuj (jug pronounced backwards), lav (well pronounced backwards), ov (who pronounced backwards), buys/tup (bush), tsul (bull), entanur (entire), otar (other), nor (new), glor (globe), mard (man), meas (meat), mayr (mother), hayr (father), dustr (daughter), yeghbayr (brother), khor-ovel (char-broil), duyl (pail), gini (wine), berd (fort), patker (picture), petur (feather), kt-rel (to cut), manr (mini), mrmral (murmur), tapalel (topple), mets (mega), hur (fire/pyr), du (you), astgh (star/aster), jarb (lard), em (I am), charcharel (torture), mich-in (middle), ayo (yes/ay/ya), vorb (orphan), hod (odor), lao (lad), metagh (metal), patizh (punish), sirt (heart), dev (devil), surb (saint), kam (come), gray (korsh), mid (mind), aq (axle), partez (garden), paytsar (bright), sprel (spread/spew), srs-gich (syringe), lezu (lingual), mer-nil (mortal), vat (bad), ayt/da (that), e (the), jerm (worm), sard (spider), vort (worm), sur (sword), lij (lake), bayts (but), agh (salt), barg (bag), qsak (sack), at-el (to hate), gam (come), la-l (to lament), yur (your/his/her), chl-el (to chuck), ard (yard/orchard), goriz (core), gna (go), qats (kick), sirt (heart), amur (armor???), napastak (rabbit???), hasdat-el (fasten???), hska (husky???), shant (bolt???), ashun (autumn???), zndan (dungeon???)...

The following trilogy are words common in Armenian, Persian and English with some phonological shifts which are interesting in my opinion to be compared. It would be more interesting to find the source of these words and see how they have evolved and which has remained closer to the source language, though I'm assuming a few of them such as; bad and devil are Persian words adopted by English and Armenian. Feel free to refute any of them.

Armenian/ Persian/ English

Shakar/ shekar/ sugar
Dur/ dar/ door
Ber/ bar/ bear
Dustr/ dokhtar/ daughter
B(p)nak/ boshghab/ plate
Vat/ bad/ bad
Vagr/ babr/ tiger
Gayl/ gorg/ wolf
Astgh/ setare/ star
Kov/ gav/ cow
Tas/ dah/ ten
Inn/ noh/ nine
Ut/ hasht / eight
Heru/ dur/ far
petur/ par/ feather
Bibar/ felfel/ pepper [I think in felfel the shift from p to f is an Arabic influence]
Sard/ tsurd/ cold
Koshik/ kafsh/ shoe
Muk/ mush/ mouse
Dzar/ derakht/ tree
Gordz/ kar/ work
Degh/ daru/ drug

Mek/ yek/ mono (?) [There are examples such as this one where the Armenian word can be a cognate with both Persian word and the English word but curiously the English (mono) and the Persian (yek) word do not have anything in common.]

Getin/zamin/ geo (?) [Again here the Armenian word getin sounds close to both zamin as well as geo but the two latter do not seem to have something in common.]

Chors/ chahar/ four
Mayr/ madar/ mother
Hayr/ pedar/ father
Yeghbayr/ baradar/ brother
Du/ to/ you
Em/ am/ I am
Michin/ miyani/ middle
Ayo/ are/ yes (yeah)
Dev/ div/ devil
Mernel/ mordan/ mortal
Vort/ kerm/ worm
Zendan/ zndan/ dungeon
Degh/ daru/ drug

[jgk3]

Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages

Thanks. It's very useful.

Yeah, I felt like I struck internet gold there.

[Lucin]

Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages

By the way, in your Armenian/Persian list you did not differentiate between words that have been borrowed and words that have been inherited. The interesting part in this discussion are the 'inherited' words, not the borrowed words.

I hear you. I will come back to this and distinguish them when I find time.

A nice list of all the Proto-Indo-European reconstructions. You can look for tons of roots here that have modern reflexes in English and Armenian: http://www.utexas.edu/cola/centers/l.../pie-agri.html

Thanks. It's very useful.