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  • womble
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    Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages

    Eastern Armenian: Varum (driving) - English: Vroom-vroom!!!!

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  • jgk3
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    Originally posted by yerazhishda View Post
    Russian/Armenian cognates (loan words?)

    Cerdtse/Sirt - heart
    Not loan word, inheritance from PIE. English "heart" and French "coeur" are also systematically related to them.

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  • yerazhishda
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    Russian/Armenian cognates (loan words?)

    Tetrat/Tetr(ag) - exercise book
    Cerdtse/Sirt - heart

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  • jgk3
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    Did anyone say

    yugh (oil)?

    reminding those who don't see how that "gh" in Armenian is a sound change from PIE "l"

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  • jgk3
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    noren/again (doubt it, "nor" in noren means new, is there anything in "again" that suggests such a meaning or any particle that could possibly be related to a root form's meaning? If so, find it for me)
    gogort/throat (makes sense)
    yergoo/two (yes)
    hayrur/hundred (yes)
    cherm/warm (most probably)
    kerezman/cemetary (implausible, the oldest root form we could get for cemetery is Greek "koimē- (var. s. of koimân to put to sleep) + -tērion suffix of locality [from dictionary.com]. The koime- root has more to do with Armenian "kenal" or "kenanal" than anything in kerezman)
    sdorakrutyun/signature (implausible, right off the bat: compound particle "kerel" finds no cognate in signature)
    khoomp/group (makes sense)
    tshnami/enemy (makes sense)

    Glad to see this thread come alive again!
    Last edited by jgk3; 12-17-2008, 03:24 PM.

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  • womble
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    I remember hearing that the musical instrument, the lute, takes its name from the Arabic al ud, meaning 'the wood'. I wonder if the word duduk comes from the same root.
    Last edited by womble; 12-16-2008, 03:43 PM.

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  • ArmSurvival
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    Not sure about these, but they sound similar to me:

    noren/again
    gogort/throat
    yergoo/two
    haryur/hundred
    cherm/warm
    kerezman/cemetary
    sdorakrutyun/signature
    khoomp/group
    tshnami/enemy
    Last edited by ArmSurvival; 12-12-2008, 11:16 AM.

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  • Lucin
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    Originally posted by Armenian View Post
    Revised list for Armenian-English:

    Kov (Cow), muk (mouse), sqiyur (squirrel), vagr (tiger), katu (cat), shun (hound), lusin (lunar), lus-aber (light bearer/Lucifer), armuk (elbow), ach (eye), vod (foot), mek (mono), tasn (ten), hinq (five), ut/okht (eight), in (nine), chors (four), get (wet), tur (door), ber (bear/burden), qar/qarord (quarter/four), tarnal (to turn), ser (sex), eight, serm (sperm), karq (cart), hot (herd), jisht (just), her (hair), shakal (jackal), ut-el (eat), ls-el (to listen), es-el (to say), qar (rock pronounced backwards), kuj (jug pronounced backwards), lav (well pronounced backwards), ov (who pronounced backwards), buys/tup (bush), tsul (bull), entanur (entire), otar (other), nor (new), glor (globe), mard (man), meas (meat), mayr (mother), hayr (father), dustr (daughter), yeghbayr (brother), khor-ovel (char-broil), duyl (pail), gini (wine), berd (fort), patker (picture), petur (feather), kt-rel (to cut), manr (mini), mrmral (murmur), tapalel (topple), mets (mega), hur (fire/pyr), du (you), astgh (star/aster), jarb (lard), em (I am), charcharel (torture), mich-in (middle), ayo (yes/ay/ya), vorb (orphan), hod (odor), lao (lad), metagh (metal), patizh (punish), sirt (heart), dev (devil), surb (saint), kam (come), gray (korsh), mid (mind), aq (axle), partez (garden), paytsar (bright), sprel (spread/spew), srs-gich (syringe), lezu (lingual), mer-nil (mortal), vat (bad), ayt/da (that), e (the), jerm (worm), sard (spider), vort (worm), sur (sword), lij (lake), bayts (but), agh (salt), barg (bag), qsak (sack), at-el (to hate), gam (come), la-l (to lament), yur (your/his/her), chl-el (to chuck), ard (yard/orchard), goriz (core), gna (go), qats (kick), sirt (heart), amur (armor???), napastak (rabbit???), hasdat-el (fasten???), hska (husky???), shant (bolt???), ashun (autumn???), zndan (dungeon???)...
    The following trilogy are words common in Armenian, Persian and English with some phonological shifts which are interesting in my opinion to be compared. It would be more interesting to find the source of these words and see how they have evolved and which has remained closer to the source language, though I'm assuming a few of them such as; bad and devil are Persian words adopted by English and Armenian. Feel free to refute any of them.

    Armenian/ Persian/ English

    Shakar/ shekar/ sugar
    Dur/ dar/ door
    Ber/ bar/ bear
    Dustr/ dokhtar/ daughter
    B(p)nak/ boshghab/ plate
    Vat/ bad/ bad
    Vagr/ babr/ tiger
    Gayl/ gorg/ wolf
    Astgh/ setare/ star
    Kov/ gav/ cow
    Tas/ dah/ ten
    Inn/ noh/ nine
    Ut/ hasht / eight
    Heru/ dur/ far
    petur/ par/ feather
    Bibar/ felfel/ pepper [I think in felfel the shift from p to f is an Arabic influence]
    Sard/ tsurd/ cold
    Koshik/ kafsh/ shoe
    Muk/ mush/ mouse
    Dzar/ derakht/ tree
    Gordz/ kar/ work
    Degh/ daru/ drug

    Mek/ yek/ mono (?) [There are examples such as this one where the Armenian word can be a cognate with both Persian word and the English word but curiously the English (mono) and the Persian (yek) word do not have anything in common.]

    Getin/zamin/ geo (?) [Again here the Armenian word getin sounds close to both zamin as well as geo but the two latter do not seem to have something in common.]

    Chors/ chahar/ four
    Mayr/ madar/ mother
    Hayr/ pedar/ father
    Yeghbayr/ baradar/ brother
    Du/ to/ you
    Em/ am/ I am
    Michin/ miyani/ middle
    Ayo/ are/ yes (yeah)
    Dev/ div/ devil
    Mernel/ mordan/ mortal
    Vort/ kerm/ worm
    Zendan/ zndan/ dungeon
    Degh/ daru/ drug
    Last edited by Lucin; 12-12-2008, 10:45 AM.

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  • jgk3
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    Originally posted by Lucin View Post
    Thanks. It's very useful.
    Yeah, I felt like I struck internet gold there.

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  • Lucin
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    Originally posted by Armenian View Post
    By the way, in your Armenian/Persian list you did not differentiate between words that have been borrowed and words that have been inherited. The interesting part in this discussion are the 'inherited' words, not the borrowed words.
    I hear you. I will come back to this and distinguish them when I find time.

    Originally posted by jgk3 View Post
    A nice list of all the Proto-Indo-European reconstructions. You can look for tons of roots here that have modern reflexes in English and Armenian: http://www.utexas.edu/cola/centers/l.../pie-agri.html
    Thanks. It's very useful.

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