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Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages
Armenian: Du/Too/Toon - German: Du, Spanish: Tú
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Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages
Originally posted by womble View Postpayts/bayts - but
ked (suffix derived from kidnal, to know) - ken (Scottish word for 'know' as in "I dinna ken")
Lij - lake
goshig/koshik - shoe
voki - vocal (involves breath which is related to spirit [as in inspire, respiration etc.])
Goshik-shoe is very probably and is one I had not yet noticed.
Voki-vocal is on thin ice, but probable...
Scottish-Armenian should have more words in common for the Scots are direct decedents of Historic Armenia.
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Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages
payts/bayts - but
ked (suffix derived from kidnal, to know) - ken (Scottish word for 'know' as in "I dinna ken")
Lij - lake
goshig/koshik - shoe
voki - vocal (involves breath which is related to spirit [as in inspire, respiration etc.])
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Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages
Originally posted by yerazhishda View PostYou are correct, the "-get/-ked" part denotes a person. A similar word is "kraked" which means 'writer/author'. And yes, arvest means art.
Arhestaget = artisan, a person that has knowledge of a craft carpentry, bricklaying, potter, metal worker, etc...
Arvestaget = artist, a person that has knowledge of art.
Graget = writer, a person that has knowledge of writing.
I am not sure of the origin of the word "art/arvest". Unless one can prove that the concept of "art" existed during the proto-Indo-European time period, I would suspect that the word "arvest" in Armenian is not inherited from PIE but borrowed from either French or Latin. The same may apply to the word taghand - talent.Last edited by Armenian; 11-28-2008, 12:37 PM.
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Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages
Originally posted by jgk3 View PostI would take care however with the treatment of arvestaget as very similar in surface structure to artist. Which segment of each of these words denotes a person? in English it is the -ist suffix, and in Armenian? My intuition tells me it is the -aget suffix, not the -est- which is in the middle of the word as I don't know what this denotes morphologically in Armenian.
My armenian vocabulary is not very rich, I only use it at home and rarely use the word for art, so I'm asking, what is it, arest?
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Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages
Originally posted by Armenian View PostSeveral more words that came to mind.
Arm: gam/kam Eng: come
Arm: la-l Eng: to lament
Arm: yur Eng: your/his/her
Arm: chl-el Eng: to chuck
Arm: ard/art Eng: yard (orchard)
And four probables.
Arm: goriz/koriz Eng: core (nucleus)
Arm: gna/kna Eng: go
Arm: qats Eng: kick
Arm: sird/Sirt Eng: heart
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Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages
haha, it's ok yeraz, and yes I am studying linguistics and enjoying it very much.
Btw, the words with luc in English (illustrious and hallucination) are french loan words, which in turn are likely to by Romance inheritences in the French language, meaning to say that they are derived from Latin.
I would take care however with the treatment of arvestaget as very similar in surface structure to artist. Which segment of each of these words denotes a person? in English it is the -ist suffix, and in Armenian? My intuition tells me it is the -aget suffix, not the -est- which is in the middle of the word as I don't know what this denotes morphologically in Armenian.
My armenian vocabulary is not very rich, I only use it at home and rarely use the word for art, so I'm asking, what is it, arest?
I like this thread because it is expanding my Armenian vocabulary, I'm used to having to resort to English or French words, or much more general Armenian words to refer to specific things that don't come up in every day speech and it makes me feel weak in my language. I try hard to turn this around and this thread is helping me.Last edited by jgk3; 11-28-2008, 06:12 AM.
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Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages
Originally posted by jgk3 View PostI would like to point out that Latin pronounced their "c"s as "k"s, so Caesar was pronounced Kaysar (Germans were the only ones who got the pronouncing like the Roman one in "Kaiser").
As a side note, the 'lus' root is also shared in English words such as 'hallucination', 'illustrious', etc.
Turning Luk (Phonetic pronunciation of the Latin root for light) into Armenian Luys requires an apt phonologically described process in Armenian that would explain such a transformation of the Latin form to produce our word. You could note more similarity in the nominative/genitive form Lukis (Lucis) to Armenian Luys. If you could build a case of Armenian language at some point in its history liking to borrow Latin nominative/genitive forms, that would help you sound more convincing.
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Re: Armenian cognates w/other languages
Arm: Arvestaget Eng: Artist
Also, if you take into consideration the tendency in Armenian to add 'v' as a buffer within words (similary with 'l' and 'gh' as jgk3 stated before), 'arest' is definitely not that far off from 'art' or 'artist'.Last edited by yerazhishda; 11-27-2008, 11:10 PM.
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