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Which continent is Armenia in?

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  • ashot24
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    Re: Which continent is Armenia in?

    Taken from the book The Atlas of Human Races by J.M. Thomas-Doménech and A. Padilla. Barcelona, Spain, March 1972.
    Selection H, page No. 7.
    Based on the original documents, dating April-December 1902.


    Translated directly from Spanish by me.

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    The Anatolians

    The Anatolian race, also known as Armenoid or Armeniaca, is extended all the way through Asia Minor, the South Caucasus, and Persia. From it, we can distinguish three groups (sub-races); the Kurds, the Persians, and properly, the Armenians.

    The Kurds inhabit the region of Kurdistan, the North of Persia, and parts of the South Caucasus. The Persians extend through the Persian regions of Aryan, Afghan and Balouch. The Armenians, who extend throughout the geographical region of the Armenian Highland, present raciological varieties which will be defined later, constituting a very homogeneous sub-race.

    Morphological characteristics:
    Thick type, short legs; medium height, 1,65 m. to 1,75 m. average. High skull, brachycephalic and flat-occipital, with a straight face. Long facial characters, high nose, rather fleshy, straight or convex profile and with a high blunt. Skin color raging from Caucasian white to Eastern brown according to the region. Hairy eyebrows, slightly united within the medium point. Facial and body pilosity rather abundant.

    The Armenian sub-race distinguishes from the others because of a major brachycephaly; an always convex, not fleshy, nose; white skin, either dark or dark-brown hair, and abundant pilosity.

    Social organization:
    The Armenians and the Kurds group within family and patriarchal tribes, lead by a chief. The Persians groups in social classes.

    The Kurds are monogamous, although the law approves the polygamy. Not like these are the Persians, who posses as many wifes as they can keep, and which matrimony is verified by the 'buying' of the women. The Armenians are monogamous as well, and the matrimony is given approval by the parents of the women.

    Housing:
    The Kurds are either farmers or nomadic pastoralists. The first ones live in huts made with stones or unfired bricks, dried by the sun. The second ones live in canvas tents.

    The Persians build housings by clay and straw bricks dried by the sun and equipped with two floors, the second one intended for living, the first one intended for the keeping of the animals. Every single village or city are protected by walls.

    The Armenians live in quadrangular houses, covered by terraces or domes. They whitewash the exterior surfaces of dwellings with lime in order to shelter from the long and dry summers, while covering with fur and carpets their houses from the long and cold winters.

    Religion and beliefs:
    The Kurds and the Persians are Muslim (Shiites and Sunnis). However, the Kurds also practice the Yezidism, considered their traditional religion.

    The Armenians are Christian in their majority, comprehending as well a Muslim minority called the Hamshens.

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  • Federate
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    Re: Which continent is Armenia in?

    Originally posted by ashot24 View Post
    I have a book describing what Armenians are ethnically/racially speaking from the point of view of individuals and from the point of view of our region, I could post it here if anyone's interested.
    We always welcome info like that here ashot, feel free to post without asking, I am sure it has valuable information.

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  • ashot24
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    Re: Which continent is Armenia in?

    Geographically speaking, Europe finds its end where the Greater (Northern) Caucasus mountains find their end, that is to say from the start of Abkhazian-Russian border (south of Sochi) in the West, going all the way down to the Absheron peninsula (roughly ending where Baku is). Generally talking, Europe ends in the natural border between Russian with Abkhazia, Georgia and South Ossetia, and Russia with Azerbaijan. Armenia is located in the South Caucasus, that is to say entirely in Asia.

    However, our language is indo-european, our people's ethnic race is Caucasian/Anatolian, and culturally we share both European and Near/Middle Eastern, which is normal for our ancient location as a bridge between Europe and Asia.

    I have a book describing what Armenians are ethnically/racially speaking from the point of view of individuals and from the point of view of our region, I could post it here if anyone's interested.
    Last edited by ashot24; 02-12-2010, 06:53 AM.

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  • Pedro Xaramillo
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    Re: Which continent is Armenia in?

    Originally posted by Armanen View Post
    LOL, Pedro! Where did you get the photo of the Armenian girl? I know her lol.
    Google is one scary and invasive thing

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  • Armanen
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    Re: Which continent is Armenia in?

    LOL, Pedro! Where did you get the photo of the Armenian girl? I know her lol.

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  • SevSpitak
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    Re: Western Armenians

    I like to see it this way: we are Araratians. xxxx Middle East, xxxx Caucasus. We originated in Urartu. Armenian Highlands = Urartu. We are the last people of Ararat, the mythical ancient homeland of the Sumerians (the first civilization of the world), our homeland is the cradle of the cradle of civilization.

    But if we're talking geopolitically, we are Transcaucasians. On the line that separates Europe from Asia from the Caucasus Mountains, but we're on the Middle East side. We get to benefit from both Europe and the Middle East.

    What you have written is the reverse of reality. Asia begins to the north of the Caucasus, to the north of the Black Sea. Russia is in Asia. In European tradition Gog and Magog, symbolising Asiatic hordes, were held behind a vast wall that restricted them to the northern side of the Caucasus, in Asia.
    Russia is Europe, BUT its federative states are well into Asia. If Russia was to split and become a republic, Russia would be the European side of the current federation. Caucasus is the region that divides the Middle East from Europe. We're on the Middle East side, Chechens, for example, are on the Europe side.
    Last edited by SevSpitak; 02-12-2010, 07:21 AM.

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  • bell-the-cat
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    Re: Western Armenians

    Originally posted by ara87 View Post
    Anything East of the Urals, South of the Caucasus, South of the Black Sea, and East of the Bosphorous Is Asia. Armenia is south of the Caucasus and East of the Bosphorous, therefore it is Asia.

    And phenotypically speaking Armenians look more middle eastern than European. Even if the non european looking president of Armenia says armos think of themselves as europeans, wishing you were something you are not, doesn't make it so
    What you have written is the reverse of reality. Asia begins to the north of the Caucasus, to the north of the Black Sea. Russia is in Asia. In European tradition Gog and Magog, symbolising Asiatic hordes, were held behind a vast wall that restricted them to the northern side of the Caucasus, in Asia.

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  • Pedro Xaramillo
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    Re: Western Armenians

    Ancient Middle East :



    Modern Middle East :

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...aphic_2003.jpg

    Armenian girl with Druze People :



    Ancient Zoroastrian Temple of Persian and Armenian origin in Baku :



    Armenian Chick :



    Persian Chick :



    Ossetian Christians (Iranians in the Caucasus) :

    Last edited by Siggie; 02-11-2010, 04:57 PM. Reason: Pedro-jan, so sorry, but I removed the modern ME map bc it's enormous and stretches things. Can you replace w/ smaller one?

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  • Mos
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    Re: Western Armenians

    Originally posted by ara87 View Post
    Anything East of the Urals, South of the Caucasus, South of the Black Sea, and East of the Bosphorous Is Asia. Armenia is south of the Caucasus and East of the Bosphorous, therefore it is Asia.

    And phenotypically speaking Armenians look more middle eastern than European. Even if the non european looking president of Armenia says armos think of themselves as europeans, wishing you were something you are not, doesn't make it so
    Yes, but because of cultural reasons it is considered part of Europe. That is why Armenia is in Council of Europe, it plays in UEFA, is member of Eastern Partnership by EU, etc.

    Depends which Europeans. I can point to you many Mediterranean people (Southern Italians, Greeks, Turks) who look like Armenians. Armenians look Mediterranean. And are genetically closer to Azeris and Caucasian people than Arabs.

    Western Armenians sure may feel middle-eastern because that's where they came from, but hayastancis from Armenia great majority do not feel that way, mostly because of the impact of Soviet/Russia culture.

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  • ara87
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    Re: Western Armenians

    Originally posted by Mos View Post
    Armenia along with Georgia, Azerbaijan are in Eurasia, or better Caucuses region. All 3 are politically Europe and are not middle eastern countries.

    Arabs didn't want to kill Armenians?? How about all those invasions of Muslim powers?? Armenians have suffered so much under Muslim rule! Why the hell should we embrace them now. And they always have and always will support Azerbaijan in Karabakh. So many muslim countries sent money/weapons to them during the war.

    Armenians are European like it or not. Even president of armenia has on numerous occasions talked about how Armenians in Armenia view themselves as Europeans.

    We're not racially closest to Iranians by the way. We're racially closest to Azeris, Georgians, and other Caucasian ethnic groups.

    Anything East of the Urals, South of the Caucasus, South of the Black Sea, and East of the Bosphorous Is Asia. Armenia is south of the Caucasus and East of the Bosphorous, therefore it is Asia.

    And phenotypically speaking Armenians look more middle eastern than European. Even if the non european looking president of Armenia says armos think of themselves as europeans, wishing you were something you are not, doesn't make it so

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