A document that sums up our pro-Armenian stance

[Azad]

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By law yes, by modern geopolitics, this is a fantasy. Nonetheless, we can discuss the Wilsonian boundaries of Armenia. I just want to stress that such ideas, not backed by the shaping hand of a victorious military/militia force, lands on deaf ears of today's international community.

Wonder why Artsakh is not a "fantasy"

[yerazhishda]

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By law yes, by geopolitics, this is a fantasy.

Correct, but we must never let go of the notion that the Republic of Armenia is the legal heir of Western Armenia. As soon as we start saying "oh it'll never happen" or "it's impossible", we will lose Western Armenia forever. Geopolitics can change over decades, so much so that we might see the decline of the republic of turkey (as we know it today) within our lifetime. If turkey gets apportioned to kurds, assyrians, and turks after its fall, Western Armenia can be repatriated.

Every Armenian is duty-bound to hold dear this ideal; if only for the memory of our ancestors but more so for the future of our People.

[jgk3]

Re: A document that sums up our pro-Armenian stance

By law yes, by modern geopolitics, this is a fantasy. Nonetheless, we can discuss the Wilsonian boundaries of Armenia. I just want to stress that such ideas, not backed by the shaping hand of a victorious military/militia force, lands on deaf ears of today's international community.

[yerazhishda]

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4) The illegal occupation of Western Armenia by Turkey is unacceptable. It must be returned to the Republic of Armenia at once.

[TomServo]

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With the recent apology petition controversy in Turkey, I think the ultranationalists are going to start pouring in.

[jgk3]

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That's a good start.

[yerazhishda]

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I think first we must define the issues 'at hand' before we start posting articles. There are 3 main issues as I see it.

1) The Right to Self-Determination of the Republic of Nagorno-Karabakh
2) The truth of the Armenian Genocide, and its denial by turkey and fake adrbedjan
3) The relationship of Armenia to its allies (Russia)

Anyone else care to add?

[jgk3]

Re: A document that sums up our pro-Armenian stance

Yes it is. I guess you guys can start off by asking questions, but I will eventually delete them (or if they're relevant, answer them in the initial post) once this thread really gets going.

One good thing to start off discussing is better names for this thread.

[One-Way]

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Homework?

[jgk3]

As some of you may be aware, I've suggested making a document that summarizes our understanding of Armenian history and the reasoning behind our pro-Armenian politics, at the same time making sure to confront claims made by denialists of crimes perpetrated by their party/country against our own. I strongly encourage you to use your experience with counter-arguments or contrary claims made by the opposition by explaining, in an intelligent way, why you consider their views as flawed.

This is so that we don't have to explain them each time to newcomers who confront us with claims motivated to delegitimze our world view and understanding of historical events.

I encourage you all to compile the resources which you deem are useful for this end. I will edit all contributions in the end and try to compile a coherent document (though you can certainly make suggestions, I would appreciate it).

I will be harsh on those who wish to undermine the purpose of such a document, i.e. by contributing resources that are anti-Armenian. This measure is being taken simply to ensure, from beginning to end, a document explaining OUR stance in a presentable and confident manner to those who wish to learn about it. They can draw their own conclusions afterwards.

You can post articles, essays, relevant parts of other posts, suggestions and constructive comments.

Begin.