Discussion on Armenia's nation/culture/civilization/race

[jgk3]

Re: Discussion on Armenia's nation/culture/civilization/race

I know what you mean gmd, there is variation of what Armenians look like based on their ancestry, but the race aspect refers to the fact that our genepool is based in Asia Minor/Caucasus, even though we have this variation between us.

We have to mention racial parameters somewhere, it is a fact that it plays a role in our identity. If you showed me a Saudi's face and told me he's Armenian, as a first impression, I would feel uneasy and just be glad that it's a rare case.

[gmd]

Re: Discussion on Armenia's nation/culture/civilization/race

I know what you mean gmd, there is variation of what Armenians look like based on their ancestry, but the race aspect refers to the fact that our genepool is based in Asia Minor/Caucasus, even though we have this variation between us.

We have to mention racial parameters somewhere, it is a fact that it plays a role in our identity. If you showed me a Saudi's face and told me he's Armenian, as a first impression, I would feel uneasy and just be glad that it's a rare case.

I can agree that Armenians are a rare group within the white race. Even today racial differences seem far less significant due to higher rates of intermixing in western countries. (not necessarily for Armenians but for whites in general)

[jgk3]

Re: Discussion on Armenia's nation/culture/civilization/race

agreed. Put simply, this notion of race is a marker of Armenian-ness within the greater genepool of the Caucasian Race. It goes hand in hand with our distinct civilization.

[Anonymouse]

Re: Discussion on Armenia's nation/culture/civilization/race

agreed. Put simply, this notion of race is a marker of Armenian-ness within the greater genepool of the Caucasian Race. It goes hand in hand with our distinct civilization.

Precisely. And this has been my point throughout. It's not that our genetic uniqueness is somehow the end all point of things, but it is a component like any other thing that has made us, well...Armenian.

This is why, as Armenian says, there has to be some Armenian blood component. People can't just "be Armenian" like going in and out of a jump suit.

And people, those of the egalitarian Western persuasions, who seek to downplay race or pretend it does not exist, are suffering from a cognitive dissonance.

They immediately start to veer the discussion by calling people "racist" or "xenophobe" or "narrow-minded", as the resident Siamanto used to do. But such views are simplistic and narrow-minded in themselves.

They are only a reflection of the degenerate Western values that have been imbued on these poor souls in growing up and absorbing these degenerate values, which is now destroying the so-called "West" and rightfully so.

[gmd]

Re: Discussion on Armenia's nation/culture/civilization/race

Precisely. And this has been my point throughout. It's not that our genetic uniqueness is somehow the end all point of things, but it is a component like any other thing that has made us, well...Armenian.

This is why, as Armenian says, there has to be some Armenian blood component. People can't just "be Armenian" like going in and out of a jump suit.

And people, those of the egalitarian Western persuasions, who seek to downplay race or pretend it does not exist, are suffering from a cognitive dissonance.

They immediately start to veer the discussion by calling people "racist" or "xenophobe" or "narrow-minded", as the resident Siamanto used to do. But such views are simplistic and narrow-minded in themselves.

They are only a reflection of the degenerate Western values that have been imbued on these poor souls in growing up and absorbing these degenerate values, which is now destroying the so-called "West" and rightfully so.

But don't you think part of western value is a devolving of identity from a larger group to a narrower one? A sense of obligation/duty to a greater community no longer exists as a given. Individuals are far more focused on themeselves and as a result less concerned with fulfilling any traditional sense of obligation to a larger group. Regrettably this has extended to a point where even the need to procreate for the purpose of extendng the survival of the family/tribe/nation beyond one's own life is missing.

[jgk3]

Re: Discussion on Armenia's nation/culture/civilization/race

But don't you think part of western value is a devolving of identity from a larger group to a narrower one? A sense of obligation/duty to a greater community no longer exists as a given. Individuals are far more focused on themeselves and as a result less concerned with fulfilling any traditional sense of obligation to a larger group. Regrettably this has extended to a point where even the need to procreate for the purpose of extendng the survival of the family/tribe/nation beyond one's own life is missing.

You hit the nail right on the head with that statement. This is what I tell my family. This is no matter of opinion, it is choosing to see reality rather than to live for earthly comforts and dreams.

In reality, a man's life is worthless masturbation if he is not ready to lay it down for what he believes in, and devotion/sense of obligation to traditions achieve precisely this effect in a man.. This is beyond balls, it is spirit. Either way, modern man seems to lack both.

I read this from Evola today, "Man is a mortal god, and a god, is an immortal man". This is also why in traditional Buddhist belief, one who as attained Buddha-hood (Enlightenment, self-realization) is considered more divine than the greatest gods of the Hindu pantheon, who by nature are fated to perpetuated the same kind of existence, with its strengths and weaknesses, virtues and vices, for all of eternity.

This understanding is not present whatsoever in anything attributable to modern society. Instead, modernism represents a descent into the abyss and eventual self destruction, as you can see in the West. The last remnants of traditional, hierarchical societies where awareness of the supra-natural realm and the gnosis of oneself in it was present in the minds of Westerns disappeared with the Russian Revolution (though, Fascism and Nazism could be seen as attempts to restore, or at least create room in the future again, this kind of consciousness in Europe).

Since then, everything in our society, from art to historiography, science to philosophy, has been pervaded by an alternative consciousness which has been the nemesis of traditionalism since the very first day, modernism. It is devoid of spirit and of the only true justice, that is, of keeping to a hierarchical, non-egalitarian order that will defend itself by silencing those who represent modernity, change, revolutions, a "yearning to become", instead of the more sensible "realization of already being".

Yet traditionalism allows for a plurality of traditional civilization on the Earth. Modern school of thought teaches that traditions are bad, primitive, stupid, unjust. This serves to usher in every new generation of man to conceive of himself as mere flesh and blood, an animal that must learn to make do with social norms. This is where we are now. NWO theorists wonder what is fueling the NWO... little do they realize, it is their own modernistic consciousness.

[gmd]

Re: Discussion on Armenia's nation/culture/civilization/race

You hit the nail right on the head with that statement. This is what I tell my family. This is no matter of opinion, it is choosing to see reality rather than to live for earthly comforts and dreams.

In reality, a man's life is worthless masturbation if he is not ready to lay it down for what he believes in, and devotion/sense of obligation to traditions achieve precisely this effect in a man.. This is beyond balls, it is spirit. Either way, modern man seems to lack both.

I read this from Evola today, "Man is a mortal god, and a god, is an immortal man". This is also why in traditional Buddhist belief, one who as attained Buddha-hood (Enlightenment, self-realization) is considered more divine that the gods which make up the pantheon of Hinduism.

This kind of thought is not present whatsoever in anything attributable to modern society. Instead, modernism represents a descent into the abyss and eventual self destruction, as you can see in the West. The last remnants of traditional, hierarchical societies where awareness of the supra-natural realm and the gnosis of oneself in it was present in the minds of Westerns disappeared with the Russian Revolution (though, Fascism and Nazism could be seen as attempts to restore, or at least create room in the future again, this kind of consciousness in Europe).

Since then, everything in our society, from art to historiography, science to philosophy, has been pervaded by this consciousness devoid of spirit and of the only true justice, that is, of keeping to a hierarchical, non-egalitarian order that will defend itself by silencing those who represent modernity, and yet allowing for a plurality of traditional civilization on the Earth. Modern school of thought teaches that traditions are bad, primitive, stupid, unjust. This serves to usher in every new generation of man to conceive of himself as mere flesh and blood, an animal that must learn to make do with social norms. This is where we are now.

Don't worry the pendulum keeps swinging.

I have some anti religious views. Despite that most families that my family associates with tend to hold on to traditional family values through religion. I hate to admit it but I think the masses need some dictate to maintain focus.

To keep this discussion focused on our people, I would like to point out that a silent threat to us is demographics. Not so much in how much of our culture we maintain but in the number of people available to do so. I know far to many Armenian couples who feel one child is as much as they can support. Materialism has perverted people's sense of what is truly important in life.

[Anoush]

Re: Discussion on Armenia's nation/culture/civilization/race

You people above made very intelligent observations. Often times Anonymouse in the recent past kept stressing here and elsewhere the importance for us Armenians to intermarry to preserve our blood and with it our roots, heritage, culture, etc. etc. etc. I feel sometimes that it went into deaf ear and so they shall do what they will do very unfortunately and to our demise. I understand this may not be the place to speak extensively about it but nevertheless in the coming years the very blood of the diasporan Armenians will vanish if today we don't take it seriously and pursue this vitally important goal. It is after all the very existence of our nationality within the parameters of the race.

[Anonymouse]

Re: Discussion on Armenia's nation/culture/civilization/race

But don't you think part of western value is a devolving of identity from a larger group to a narrower one? A sense of obligation/duty to a greater community no longer exists as a given. Individuals are far more focused on themeselves and as a result less concerned with fulfilling any traditional sense of obligation to a larger group. Regrettably this has extended to a point where even the need to procreate for the purpose of extendng the survival of the family/tribe/nation beyond one's own life is missing.

Very much so. You have aptly described the state of things.

[Anonymouse]

Re: Discussion on Armenia's nation/culture/civilization/race

You hit the nail right on the head with that statement. This is what I tell my family. This is no matter of opinion, it is choosing to see reality rather than to live for earthly comforts and dreams.

In reality, a man's life is worthless masturbation if he is not ready to lay it down for what he believes in, and devotion/sense of obligation to traditions achieve precisely this effect in a man.. This is beyond balls, it is spirit. Either way, modern man seems to lack both.

I read this from Evola today, "Man is a mortal god, and a god, is an immortal man". This is also why in traditional Buddhist belief, one who as attained Buddha-hood (Enlightenment, self-realization) is considered more divine than the greatest gods of the Hindu pantheon, who by nature are fated to perpetuated the same kind of existence, with its strengths and weaknesses, virtues and vices, for all of eternity.

This kind of thought is not present whatsoever in anything attributable to modern society. Instead, modernism represents a descent into the abyss and eventual self destruction, as you can see in the West. The last remnants of traditional, hierarchical societies where awareness of the supra-natural realm and the gnosis of oneself in it was present in the minds of Westerns disappeared with the Russian Revolution (though, Fascism and Nazism could be seen as attempts to restore, or at least create room in the future again, this kind of consciousness in Europe).

Since then, everything in our society, from art to historiography, science to philosophy, has been pervaded by an alternative consciousness which has been the nemesis of traditionalism since the very first day, modernism. It is devoid of spirit and of the only true justice, that is, of keeping to a hierarchical, non-egalitarian order that will defend itself by silencing those who represent modernity, change, revolutions, a "yearning to become", instead of the more sensible "realization of already being".

Yet traditionalism allows for a plurality of traditional civilization on the Earth. Modern school of thought teaches that traditions are bad, primitive, stupid, unjust. This serves to usher in every new generation of man to conceive of himself as mere flesh and blood, an animal that must learn to make do with social norms. This is where we are now. NWO theorists wonder what is fueling the NWO... little do they realize, it is their own modernistic consciousness.

Quoted for truth.