Inter Racial Armenians-Blacks Families: (Small?) Bridges To The Important Black World

[Haykakan]

Re: Inter Racial Armenians-Blacks Families: (Small?) Bridges To The Important Black W

"If any mixing is gonna happen I would at least want it to occur in Armenia so the kids can grow up Armenian, culturally at least, which is unlikely outside of Armenia."
That is exactly what i said earlier. It is why i emphasize Armenia so much and the diaspora connecting with it. Culture is what your identity is really about. Race and religion are secondary. Culture precedes religion and outlasts racial traits. We armenians were once peagan-now we are christians and tomorow we may be something else. Racialy we used to be blue eyed but now we are dark eyed. These facts explain very clearly that culture is the prevailing theme here above religion and race. It is your culture that gives you your identity not anything else (unless your a religious nutt i guess). So when they say can a persian man say he is now a armenian? The answer is yes as long he feels close to the armenian culture. If persians, russians or blacks move and live in armenia and become a part of her culture then they will indeed become armenians. Accepting people into your culture enriches and strengthens it.

[Armanen]

Re: Inter Racial Armenians-Blacks Families: (Small?) Bridges To The Important Black W

Did I ever make that claim? Middle Eastern is a political term, there are a number of different types of people there, including Negroids, but on average the people of the Near East are Caucasoid. I was never arguing this point, just like I never said Armenians look like the English, or Armenians aren't closely related to the Persians. I hope you didn't deliberately misconstrue what I wrote.

Don't forget the Australoids

My definitions of 'Caucasian' is the same as the one provided above, which obviously doesn't include Haitians, the African ones, which is where this whole thing started from. The reason I say it is better if an Armenian marries a Caucasian is not only related to racial reasons but cultural, lingustic and religious as well.

Do you think the average Armenian has more in common with a ethnic Slovak or some Hutu tribesman from Rwanda? One has to look at this holistically.
No, I don't think it is going to help Armenians to marry non Armenians, regardless of race or ethnic group the ideal has been and always should be for Armenians to marry one another, as it should be with other ethnic groups, but in the case of Armenians with a population of less than 12 million this is more important.

You are making an assumption that I don't seem to mind that Armenians in the Diaspora are mixing with non-Armenians, I do mind. If any mixing is gonna happen I would at least want it to occur in Armenia so the kids can grow up Armenian, culturally at least, which is unlikely outside of Armenia. I take an Armenians patriotism more seriously and respect it more than if both their parents are Armenian or not, again don't make assumptions about me and then add them to your argument. I am not the subject of this debate.

My central concern is that Armenians are few and therefore should strive to preserve their unique culture and heritage instead of succombing to the bastardization of ethnicity, culture, religion, values, and everything else sacred to humanity, which the elite would love to eradicate and replace with the mtv mass 'culture'. When you don't respect your national survival and allow foreign interests to infect the host society, this is what happens.


Again, I want to stress that race is just one aspect of this, I try to look at it from a systemic prespective, everything is inter-related.

[Pedro Xaramillo]

Re: Inter Racial Armenians-Blacks Families: (Small?) Bridges To The Important Black W

Google brought up hundreds of images, you made the choice to pick those two particular pics so as to add more cushion to what you are arguing.

If anything, it is you who is using the term European inter-changably with Caucasian.

Actually, the term 'Caucasian' has been used to denote the general physical type of some or all of the indigenous human populations of Europe, Asia Minor/Caucasus, and parts of North Africa, the Horn of Africa, West Asia, Central Asia, and South Asia. Historically, the term has been used to describe the entire population of these regions, without regard necessarily to skin tone. In classification Europeans are considered a sub-branch of Caucasian. Only people who think white means a WASP have used the term to only cover the Nordic and Nordic looking populations. I find this more common among Americans, but you are well read so I don't understand why you are arguing their mis-guided point.

You see skin tone has very little to do with race, bone structure is a far more important indicator of race.

There are a number of Armenians that are of light complextion, including some of my relatives, I don't think their complextion makes them anymore or less Armenian than those with darker complextions but to paintbrush all Armenians as looking like the girl above is a bit too much.

And to claim they look like Goldylocks is another init? Also I told you cranial anthropometry since the start, and haplogroups, I pointed out the misnomer of the term caucasoid your friend seems to think Middle Eastern differs from Caucasoid, this is not so.

In fact, anyone not Negroid or Mongoloid can be counted as Caucasoid or partially Caucasoid, so it goes back to my point, you say it's better if it's a Caucasian, I say again, what is a Caucasian according to your opinion then, also do you think it's going to help Armenians if they intermarry with Germans and look identical to your average Berliner? You don't seem to mind that, you don't seem to mind that most assimilated Armos are mixed with Europeans if they mix and they are the ones who assimilate usually, in America most assimilated Armos if they are mixed married some WASP, in Poland the Armenian community diminished due to marriage with white Poles? So tell me why that's better than an African, and what's so bad if someone is half Armenian and half another race but fights for their nation?

[Armanen]

Re: Inter Racial Armenians-Blacks Families: (Small?) Bridges To The Important Black W

Google Cherry picked them, but hey if that makes you feel better .

In addition, that means that this is your Russian Armenian or Hayastanci (Want more pics btw), then there can't be too much "Caucasian" blood there, the thing is you are defining Caucasian as European, Caucasian according to tradiotional anthropology is light haired, light eyed, light skinned with a rosy complexion and thin lips...how many Armenians get that?
Wanna know why, cause the actual Caucasians differ markedly from Europeans, with the exception being Greeks and Southern Italians bro

Google brought up hundreds of images, you made the choice to pick those two particular pics so as to add more cushion to what you are arguing.

If anything, it is you who is using the term European inter-changably with Caucasian.

Actually, the term 'Caucasian' has been used to denote the general physical type of some or all of the indigenous human populations of Europe, Asia Minor/Caucasus, and parts of North Africa, the Horn of Africa, West Asia, Central Asia, and South Asia. Historically, the term has been used to describe the entire population of these regions, without regard necessarily to skin tone. In classification Europeans are considered a sub-branch of Caucasian. Only people who think white means a WASP have used the term to only cover the Nordic and Nordic looking populations. I find this more common among Americans, but you are well read so I don't understand why you are arguing their mis-guided point.

You see skin tone has very little to do with race, bone structure is a far more important indicator of race.

There are a number of Armenians that are of light complextion, including some of my relatives, I don't think their complextion makes them anymore or less Armenian than those with darker complextions but to paintbrush all Armenians as looking like the girl above is a bit too much.

[Pedro Xaramillo]

Re: Inter Racial Armenians-Blacks Families: (Small?) Bridges To The Important Black W

Thanks for cherry picking your photos. Also, as it was rightfully pointed out, Armenia, because of it's geographical location, has been invaded many times. Looking at the photo of the 'Armenian' girl you posted, it looks like she has some non-Caucasoid blood.

Obviously Armenians are closer to Persians and the surrounding peoples than to Germans, who is arguing this point?

Google Cherry picked them, but hey if that makes you feel better .

In addition, that means that this is your Russian Armenian or Hayastanci (Want more pics btw), then there can't be too much "Caucasian" blood there, the thing is you are defining Caucasian as European, Caucasian according to tradiotional anthropology is light haired, light eyed, light skinned with a rosy complexion and thin lips...how many Armenians get that?
Wanna know why, cause the actual Caucasians differ markedly from Europeans, with the exception being Greeks and Southern Italians bro

[Armanen]

Re: Inter Racial Armenians-Blacks Families: (Small?) Bridges To The Important Black W

Thanks for cherry picking your photos. Also, as it was rightfully pointed out, Armenia, because of it's geographical location, has been invaded many times. Looking at the photo of the 'Armenian' girl you posted, it looks like she has some non-Caucasoid blood.

Obviously Armenians are closer to Persians and the surrounding peoples than to Germans, who is arguing this point?

[Pedro Xaramillo]

Re: Inter Racial Armenians-Blacks Families: (Small?) Bridges To The Important Black W

I'm not saying saxons came from Armenia. What I am saying is that the many different tribes that conquered Europe starting around 4000 BC (Celts, Germanics, Italics, Slavo-Baltics, etc.) came from the area of what is termed the PIE language and the people who spoke that language were likely one people or tribes of people closely related, before the mass diffusion of these tribes towards all corners of Eurasia. The people likely came from either the steppes above the Black Sea, the Caucasus, or Asia Minor. Armenians have had a trace in these last two areas, for the past 4000 years. Proto-Armenian groups even longer!

Yes, if we go far back enough we also are related to apes.

Actually no, I'm pointing genetic similarity here, an African's DNA long ago split from the NOP group for instance, then later but also a while NO and P, but Q and R (Which is from P) much later, hence Armenians would have more in common with say Europeans, people from India, Middle Easterns or Native Americans than say with Chinese, however this is isn't modern DNA as you said and with modern DNA your closest relatives are Persians, who look nothing like Germans, so by that account a Caucasian German looks foreign as well.

Now with cranial anthropometry, you share little to nothing with Germans, Russians, or most Europeans,need I remind you Russians shat on Armenians for their hyperbrachycephaly once?

Armenian :

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[Armanen]

Re: Inter Racial Armenians-Blacks Families: (Small?) Bridges To The Important Black W

You lot are the ones trying to put Saxons close to Armenians not me, Armenians and Africans differ...so do Armenians and Africans, and if we get into genetic biodiversity, people in the same race can have more difference than two different races, see Italian Professor Cavalli-Sforza's work.

As to modern nations of Europe, do you have any evidence for these, can you show me where and when Europeans of Scandinavia came out of the Caucasus, how directly, how long, what changes occured.

Technically Native Americans, ASians, Europeans and Middle Easterners were once one race, hence the NOP Haplogroup which became O, N and P, and then P had Q and R .

So your point is moot.

I'm not saying saxons came from Armenia. What I am saying is that the many different tribes that conquered Europe starting around 4000 BC (Celts, Germanics, Italics, Slavo-Baltics, etc.) came from the area of what is termed the PIE language and the people who spoke that language were likely one people or tribes of people closely related, before the mass diffusion of these tribes towards all corners of Eurasia. The people likely came from either the steppes above the Black Sea, the Caucasus, or Asia Minor. Armenians have had a trace in these last two areas, for the past 4000 years. Proto-Armenian groups even longer!

Yes, if we go far back enough we also are related to apes.

[Haykakan]

Re: Inter Racial Armenians-Blacks Families: (Small?) Bridges To The Important Black W

And you just verified what I already suspected about you.

Yup i was the one that drove that carrot cruncher away. He couldnt prove the existance of souls and became very frustrated and choked on some celery.

[Pedro Xaramillo]

Re: Inter Racial Armenians-Blacks Families: (Small?) Bridges To The Important Black W

A Caucasian would be better yes. You use a political term, European, and then bring up genetics and anthropology. There are many theories as to where the PIE (Proto-Indo-European) homeland is, one of the theories places it in the Armenian Highlands, another in western Asia Minor, and the Kuban theory north of the Black Sea. It's difficult to talk about all these issues when there is no clear cut answer but to assume that Armenians, a people who have lived in the southern Caucasus and the Armenian Highlands for over 4000 years, are not related to the various tribes that would go on to become the forefathers of the modern nations of Europe is a bit absurd. There are too many cultural, lingustic, historical, religious, and genetic similarities.

As for you bringing up Armenians and comparing them to the English, have you ever compared an Armenian and an African from Kenya or Ghana?

You lot are the ones trying to put Saxons close to Armenians not me, Armenians and Africans differ...so do Armenians and Africans, and if we get into genetic biodiversity, people in the same race can have more difference than two different races, see Italian Professor Cavalli-Sforza's work.

As to modern nations of Europe, do you have any evidence for these, can you show me where and when Europeans of Scandinavia came out of the Caucasus, how directly, how long, what changes occured.

Technically Native Americans, ASians, Europeans and Middle Easterners were once one race, hence the NOP Haplogroup which became O, N and P, and then P had Q and R .

So your point is moot.