What Artsakh means to me

[Armanen]

Re: What Artsakh means to me

There is no point in repairing the roof while allowing the foundations to crumble. Shushi is not the foundations.

I don't disagree with you but what do you have in mind?

[Catharsis]

Re: What Artsakh means to me

There is no point in repairing the roof while allowing the foundations to crumble. Shushi is not the foundations.

I have to agree. What are we investing in, if we are forfeiting the Armenian Cause and are opening the floodgates of Turkish-Kurdish inflow into Armenia proper.

Generations of Armenians, most children and grandchildren of Genocide survivors are in deep anguish right now and the Turks have succeeding in achieving what they wanted all along to drive a deep wedge between Armenia and Diaspora. We must remember that ALL Armenians no matter where are brothers and sisters, and the current defeatist regime simply does not represent the Armenian people.

[Catharsis]

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Here you go:

http://www.armenianvolunteer.org/

Thanks for the link Armanen, if anything, Artsakh always needs volunteer teachers of English of all things. There are few presently in Shushi schools and many in Stepanakert.

[Armanen]

Re: What Artsakh means to me

I have to agree. What are we investing in, if we are forfeiting the Armenian Cause and are opening the floodgates of Turkish-Kurdish inflow into Armenia proper.

Generations of Armenians, most children and grandchildren of Genocide survivors are in deep anguish right now and the Turks have succeeding in achieving what they wanted all along to drive a deep wedge between Armenia and Diaspora. We must remember that ALL Armenians no matter where are brothers and sisters, and the current defeatist regime simply does not represent the Armenian people.

In line with this, the real problem will be solved if Armenia is wealthier because then it can invest in cultural projects since there will be a surplus of cash. If Armenia does become a hub for trade between east and west as a result of recent events, then this will help to create a more prosperous Armenia. Nonetheless, something must change because Armenia can't remain static if it ever hopes to become a successful and powerful nation.

[Catharsis]

Re: What Artsakh means to me

In line with this, the real problem will be solved if Armenia is wealthier because then it can invest in cultural projects since there will be a surplus of cash. If Armenia does become a hub for trade between east and west as a result of recent events, then this will help to create a more prosperous Armenia. Nonetheless, something must change because Armenia can't remain static if it ever hopes to become a successful and powerful nation.

I think hardly any Armenian is against this aspect and against prosperity. However, we should realize what policy is being pursued by both Turkey and Azerbaijan and not be disillusioned that we can have serious relationship until Turkey recognizes the Armenian Genocide and fulfills its obligation to reparation and restitution to the Armenian people based on the Arbitrary Award of President Woodrow Wilson which has come into legal power right after it was signed and sealed with the Great Seal of the president of the United States on November 22, 1920.

As far as Azerbaijan, they indeed have to again come to historic recognition that the people of Artsakh have spoken and have overwhelmingly voted for the path of self-determination. We can win together, if all Armenians pull together, we do not need to look to our mortal enemies who are still pursuing the path of our annihilation and falsely believe and call them "regional partners." Again, this is a language used by third parties which are not in the "firing line" as we are and look at the region from a "non-attached" viewpoint and would not consider it tragic if say Artsakh is ethnically cleansed and is again forcibly made part of Azerbaijan.

[Armanen]

Re: What Artsakh means to me

Armenia and Armenians have had almost 20 years to push for the Sevres Treaty, to take it to the ICJ, but we did not. Not too many were concerned about doing this, even though a number of scholars suggested we should sue turkey. Now the Great Powers want to tweak the region, and there is a good chance all sides can benefit from open borders, but many Armenians are now up in arms. Where was the outrage when Kocharyan fired Papyan, or where was the large scale support for those few people calling for Armenia to sue turkey?

Things are happening in the region and none of the countries actually in the region have a serious say in what occurs, especially Armenia, at least we can make the best of it and insure we are in the passenger seat rather than left out in the dust.

[Anoush]

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I have to agree. What are we investing in, if we are forfeiting the Armenian Cause and are opening the floodgates of Turkish-Kurdish inflow into Armenia proper.

Generations of Armenians, most children and grandchildren of Genocide survivors are in deep anguish right now and the Turks have succeeding in achieving what they wanted all along to drive a deep wedge between Armenia and Diaspora. We must remember that ALL Armenians no matter where are brothers and sisters, and the current defeatist regime simply does not represent the Armenian people.

You are right there and no the defeatist government's regime does not at all represent the Armenian people in the homeland or in the diaspora.

[Armanen]

Re: What Artsakh means to me

No 'elected' government ever really represents the people, some are just worse than others.

[Catharsis]

Re: What Artsakh means to me

Where was the outrage when Kocharyan fired Papyan, or where was the large scale support for those few people calling for Armenia to sue turkey?

I agree with you Armanen, we should have been more pro-active instead of reactionary. To be honest, I think few people expected Serzh to go this far. It was a huge miscalculation on our part. Diaspora for most part vehemently supported both the current and previous presidents up until the very end and it backfired horribly.

[Catharsis]

Re: What Artsakh means to me

You are right there and no the defeatist government's regime does not at all represent the Armenian people in the homeland or in the diaspora.

Indeed Anoush, to "borrow a page" from Muhaha:

this is when the "People" part comes in from the phrase "Government by the People", citizens can either stand up or bow down. From the looks of it, they are doing the former and hopefully that tide will only get bigger.