Azerbaijani irredentist dreams

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Azerbaijani irredentist dreams

So what? Many many such "old" maps show Azerbaijan in Iran and not in actually Azerbaijan.

The point is, its there.

The map is maximum 30 years old look at the way it's made old maps don't look like this.

[Karapapak]

Re: Azerbaijani irredentist dreams

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Azerbaijani irredentist dreams

A map made by Azeris doesn't equal proof

[AlphaPapa]

Re: Azerbaijani irredentist dreams

Well, ok, you found yourself that map. Go print a copy of it, and go west from Baku with it and see what it gets you.

[ninetoyadome]

Re: Azerbaijani irredentist dreams

here is a good map showing the Roman Empire

[ashot24]

Re: Azerbaijani irredentist dreams

It should be further east, but the point is Azerbaijan is there.

Can I ask then why are you just raising such claims from lands only belonging to Armenia if Georgia, according to you, is also on YOUR lands?

I once heard your president claiming that the Iravan khanate should be entirely part of Azerbaijan and it is actually a "historical part" of Azerbaijan, but the bolsheviks give it to Armenia, and that Armenians were "guests" in Yerevan. http://www.regnum.ru/english/943595.html
Actually, it was a Persian khanate, as well as the entirely Azerbaijani lands are independent territories out the historical Persian province, which as we can see in the maps of the Roman empire, were named "Albania". And this has been said by many historians and scholars that don't even touch this topic, I several times have heard them in documentaries about the Russian empire, the Persian empire, the Ottoman empire, etc., "the Persian province of Azerbaijan".

The fact that your people lived in the Iravan khanate back then and were "majority", as well as in many parts of the South Caucasus, does not make those lands instantly yours. As I've said before...why are you not xxxxing up with Georgia then? I would like to see your president claiming lands out of Georgia and see how they respond.

[AlphaPapa]

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Listen, I have done extensive research on this matter, going through archives of all current and ancient governments, and I have traced the roots of the current nation of Azerbaijan to its original borders. In the name of fairness, honesty, and good will, ALL ARMENIANS should acknowledge that they have a right to their lands and wish them the full extension of the borders that they deserve.






Below is a photograph of the map Alexander The Great used. He used the wise men of all the advanced civilizations of his day to come with this map. This, in the name of ethnic integrity, should be our goal for the future of the region.




I think this is something we can all agree on, right?

[ArmSurvival]

Re: Azerbaijani irredentist dreams

Karapapak,

Your first map (of the Islamic Empire) is not accurate. I've seen it on other sites before. At that time, Azerbaijan existed only as a region (not a state), and the region was south of the Arax River. Your map shows Azerbaijan where Georgia is... get real, its a BS map.

This is a map of the First Republic of Armenia recognized by the international community: http://www.armenian-history.com/Nyut...of_Armenia.gif

The only "disputed area" was Karabakh, which at the time had an Armenian majority of over 95%. Even in 1988, after 70 years of Soviet rule, Karabakh still had more than a 75% Armenian majority. In regards to "Zangezur", besides being internationally-recognized as part of Armenia, there are also detailed records of Armenian military units being stationed in that region in that period.

Now, your second map of "Azerbaijan Democratic Republic"... Its produced by Azeris. The international community had not recognized those areas as part of Azerbaijan. Please realize this.

[Icy]

Re: Azerbaijani irredentist dreams

Seriously this new guy is funny

[Armanen]

Re: Azerbaijani irredentist dreams

Listen, I have done extensive research on this matter, going through archives of all current and ancient governments, and I have traced the roots of the current nation of Azerbaijan to its original borders. In the name of fairness, honesty, and good will, ALL ARMENIANS should acknowledge that they have a right to their lands and wish them the full extension of the borders that they deserve.






Below is a photograph of the map Alexander The Great used. He used the wise men of all the advanced civilizations of his day to come with this map. This, in the name of ethnic integrity, should be our goal for the future of the region.




I think this is something we can all agree on, right?

Damn, now that is an old map Alpha! Where did you dig that up from?