America and being White and Armenian

[Yedtarts]

Re: America and being White and Armenian

Probably because people in the west couldn't survive the culture and learn the language of those less sophisticated countries. And those "less sophisticated" countries don't have a need for slave citizens and they only migrate people for work and don't need to give people citizenship.

Although all you’ve said has nothing to do with what I've wrote. But,

Believe me I learned and know very well their language, I was born in one and was raised in another, I have lived with them for a while, and I even had a citizenship to one of these countries, although it wasn’t my choice. I chose to live with what I consider civilized and advanced people, where you cannot constantly smell sh-it and urine as a cultural aroma.

[HyeClown]

Re: America and being White and Armenian

Although all you’ve said has nothing to do with what I've wrote. But,

Believe me I learned and know very well their language, I was born in one and was raised in another, I have lived with them for a while, and I even had a citizenship to one of these countries, although it wasn’t my choice. I chose to live with what I consider civilized and advanced people, where you cannot constantly smell sh-it and urine as a cultural aroma.

Consider yourself lucky to have immigrants cleaning up your sh-it and urine just so you don't realize that your sh-it doesn't stink.

[Yedtarts]

Re: America and being White and Armenian

Consider yourself lucky to have immigrants cleaning up your sh-it and urine just so you don't realize that your sh-it doesn't stink.

Do you ever think before you write, or you just write something for the sake of answering back even though you have nothing to say?
I am an immigrant too, so who’s cleaning after whom?

[HyeClown]

Re: America and being White and Armenian

You wrote....

If what you say is true, let’s see world’s migration* patterns, how come most of the migrations* are happening from these “appearing to me” more "nomadic, savage, and backward, etc... Or less sophisticated" communities or countries towards countries that “appears to me” more advanced or civilized and the opposite is not true?

I wrote....

Probably because people in the west couldn't survive the culture and learn the language of those less sophisticated countries. And those "less sophisticated" countries don't have a need for slave citizens and they only migrate people for work and don't need to give people citizenship.

Addressing the reason for immigration patterns.... and you wrote...

Although all you’ve said has nothing to do with what I've wrote.

Then you went on to say...

Believe me I learned and know very well their language, I was born in one and was raised in another, I have lived with them for a while, and I even had a citizenship to one of these countries, although it wasn’t my choice. I chose to live with what I consider civilized and advanced people, where you cannot constantly smell sh-it and urine as a cultural aroma.

Which tells me that you were lucky enough to have choices and in the position to move around at your will. So I wrote....

Consider yourself lucky to have immigrants cleaning up your sh-it and urine just so you don't realize that your sh-it doesn't stink.

Then you wrote...

Do you ever think before you write, or you just write something for the sake of answering back even though you have nothing to say?
I am an immigrant too, so who’s cleaning after whom?

So my next logical question would be... were you a poor immigrant needing a job (any job) to feed your wife and kids who migrated with you?

[Yedtarts]

Re: America and being White and Armenian

What about when I wrote?:

where stoning women to death in public is legal, or forcing a 12 year old girl to marry a 40 year old man just because he can afford to pay her parents the price, and all this is done legally? Or even yet, circumcising young girls against their wills is legal.

Your answer:

Originally Posted by HyeClown
Probably because people in the west couldn't survive the culture and learn the language of those less sophisticated countries. And those "less sophisticated" countries don't have a need for slave citizens and they only migrate people for work and don't need to give people citizenship.

What about, when I wrote?:

Believe me I learned and know very well their language, I was born in one and was raised in another, I have lived with them for a while, and I even had a citizenship to one of these countries, although it wasn’t my choice. I chose to live with what I consider civilized and advanced people, where you cannot constantly smell sh-it and urine as a cultural aroma.

Your answer:

Consider yourself lucky to have immigrants cleaning up your sh-it and urine just so you don't realize that your sh-it doesn't stink.

I wrote back:

I am an immigrant too, so who’s cleaning after whom?

Your answer is:

were you a poor immigrant needing a job (any job) to feed your wife and kids who migrated with you?

I don't get it please explain.

Or better yet, You win, I rest my case.

[HyeClown]

Re: America and being White and Armenian

I don't get it please explain.

Or better yet, You win, I rest my case.

I'm not trying to win anything... I'm giving reasons for your questions. Rich people (I mean those who have a monopoly in any given country) rarely migrate from their home because they make money off of the population. Poor people or even middle class people migrate because they are looking for work and the country they reside in has faltered due to war or poor economic conditions.

There are about 200 countries in the world... which of those do you consider advanced and civilized? I personally don't know enough about every country to give an informed answer because I haven't lived in all of them. Have you lived in all of them?

[Muhaha]

Re: America and being White and Armenian

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economi...pan#Occupation


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan

Africa gets plenty of financial assistance though, it isn't just about money, you have to know what to do with it. Anyway, I don't understand why they can't take care of simple things like feeding themselves over in Africa. They have a ridiculous abundance of natural resources and it's all just laying there.

[jgk3]

Re: America and being White and Armenian

If what you say is true, let’s see world’s migration* patterns, how come most of the migrations* are happening from these “appearing to me” more "nomadic, savage, and backward, etc... Or less sophisticated" communities or countries towards countries that “appears to me” more advanced or civilized and the opposite is not true? How come no one from the western countries wants to migrate to “appearing to me” more "nomadic, savage, and backward, etc...? Or less sophisticated" countries, where stoning women to death in public is legal, or forcing a 12 year old girl to marry a 40 year old man just because he can afford to pay her parents the price, and all this is done legally? Or even yet, circumcising young girls against their wills is legal. Maybe it’s just me who see these things backwards thinking and uncivilized or maybe it’s the media or the university brainwashing crap that teaches lemmings to repeat what was told to them.

*I'm not talking about the war migrations; I'm talking about the ones that are done on their free wills (to better their lives)

People go where the money is... Why isn't Armenia flooded by the Chinese yet? Becaue there is no money to be made there.

Why... on the other hand, why do people from all over the world (including westerners) go to Qatar, UAE and Saudi Arabia, even though people who break their crazy Islamic laws can get beheaded? MONEY. They are just richer versions of the Islamic nations you have citizenship for. But the money doesn't really improve the lives of their average citizens, even though according to our economic theories, it should trickle down to them. I think you can guess why it's not "trickling down", it's universal problem actually.

Another thing... So long as the USA holds the rest of the world by the balls, it will be "advanced". Judge our North American/Western society once its nations are not the seat of global power. Or rather... Think back to a time when Western nations didn't politically or economically dominate the entire world... think of our social norms in those days, when we'd burn witches, own slaves, you name it... (when I say "we", I refer to us as Westerners even though we were actually Armenians in the Ottoman empire, under a different kind of mess.)

And back to a time when we did start to rule the world, think of the industrial revolution that was supposed to be the great leap forward that got us here from our agricultural past. Were we clean? Well fed? What did the common worker own? What kind of safe future did we have to look forward to?

Everyone smelled like urine then, people dumped their excrement on the streets, and scores of people died of diseases every day. People didn't feel like they had a choice to change anything, until rich members of society started being affected by the diseases of the poor, the stench of the ghetto made its way to parliament... The rich began to attend to basic health concerns in their cities, which they had neglected for generations while they made their money working their own race's brethren like dogs.

And then, when they were through with working them like dogs, they enlisted them to fight 2 wars in Europe that cost 16 million lives (civilian and military) the first time, and 60 million the second. They completely destroyed the place, and then spent the rest of their society's resources rebuilding it with all kinds of money that could not come out from their own pockets, but out of thin air through the public debt of guess who... the same class they've been screwing ever since the beginning. And when they're tired of our labour, they go straight to the Chinese and leave us on the streets.

And when we force the rest of the world to have to go through this paradigm of progression, divorcing them from their native civilization, we can look at them too in disgust as we watch them "industrialize", fight their equivalents of what we went through in WWI and WWII, etc...

[Armanen]

Re: America and being White and Armenian

I agree with you Yedtarts. Some nations have done very well for themselves and although much of that or most of it I would say has to do with geopolitics (resources from land, bordering the sea, having natural protection, etc.) I think it also has to do with what that people values. Some cultures put more of an emphasis on learning, others more on fighting, some on both and some on neither. In the modern world the Western European and more specifically the anglo-american model has come to dominate other cultures, but what I am referring to is during the middle ages or even further back, since many modern nations were recently formed in comparison to Armenians or Persians for example.

Someone asked what countries are advanced I would generalize and say Western Europe, Japan, Australia, Canada and the U.S. are what is considered to be the pinnacle of 'advancement'. This is why people migrate to these regions and not so much to Latin America or Central Asia for example. People have come to associate these areas/countries with advancement and they want a piece of the action, if not for themselves, at least for their offspring.


As for WWI & WWII, there are a number of reasons why those wars were fought, I assure you that any half way educated businessman (captain of industry) wouldn't f*ck up their nation on purpose. The only ones that stood to gain from the wars were those in the banking industry and the military procurement.

[HyeClown]

Re: America and being White and Armenian

According to The EIU (Economist Intelligence Unit) & IBM

http://gpmgroup.info/2007/04/27/the-...ced-countries/

The Top 35 Most Technologically Advanced Nations are....

1 Denmark 9.00
2(tie) United States 8.85
2(tie) Sweden 8.85
4 Hong Kong 8.72
5 Switzerland 8.61
6 Singapore 8.60
7 United Kingdom 8.59
8 Netherlands 8.50
9 Australia 8.46
10 Finland 8.43
11 Austria 8.39
12 Norway 8.35
13 Canada 8.30
14 New Zealand 8.19
15 Bermuda 8.15
16 South Korea 8.08
17 Taiwan 8.05
18 Japan 8.01
19 Germany 8.00
20 Belgium 7.90
21 Ireland 7.86
22 France 7.77
23 Israel 7.58
24 Malta* 7.56
25 Italy 7.45
26 Spain 7.29
27 Portugal 7.14
28 Estonia 6.84
29 Slovenia 6.66
30 Chile 6.47
31 Czech Republic 6.32
32 Greece 6.31
33 United Arab Emirates 6.22
34 Hungary 6.16
35 South Africa 6.10

When did Hong Kong become it's own country? I guess it's the only important part of China seeing that it was also a British Crown Colony.

A Crown colony was a type of colonial administration of the British Empire.

Crown colonies were ruled by a governor appointed by the Crown (and, later, the Colonial Office). Though the term was not used at the time, the first of what would later become known as Crown colonies was the Colony of Virginia in the present-day United States, after the Crown took control from the Virginia Company in 1624.

Until the mid-nineteenth century, the term was primarily used to refer to those colonies which had been acquired through wars, such as Trinidad and British Guiana, but after this point it was more broadly applied to any colony other than the British Raj and the colonies of British settlement such as Australia, Canada and New Zealand (later to become the Dominions).

The term continued to be used up until 1981, when the British Nationality Act 1981 reclassified the few remaining British colonies as "British-Dependent Territories". From 2002 they have been known as British Overseas Territories.

BTW, HSBC Bank stands for The Hongkong and Shanghai Banking Corporation controlled by... you guessed it, the United Kingdom.

HSBC is the largest bank in the world and a terrorist attack took place in November 2003: a bomb blast in Istanbul damaged the bank’s head office in Turkey, causing several deaths and hundreds of injuries.