Armenia stands today because of Iran?

[Pedro Xaramillo]

Re: Armenia stands today because of Iran?

Oh, you're one of those Marxism like Capitalism sounds like a good idea on paper In reality what happens is those in power take the Capital away from those that earned what they had and make it look like they are Robin Hood but instead put the profits in their pocket.

Not really, you are here again using Stalin as an example and dont remember external circumstances like war, famine, poverty, etc. If Marx was properly followed it would work different, just like Capitalism has never been fully really followed either, if we look at Adam Smith's works, there has never been his exact ideas put in place, however more lack of taxes and an elimination of minimum wage = hell for the proletariat.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenia stands today because of Iran?

"Communist" , there has never been a Communist state, and the Soviet Union had wage slavery still, meaning it was about as Socialist as China is today, a socialist economy is nationalized and worker controlled... I recommend that you check out http://www.marxist.com, that explain the proper point.

Oh, you're one of those Marxism like Capitalism sounds like a good idea on paper In reality what happens is those in power take the Capital away from those that earned what they had and make it look like they are Robin Hood but instead put the profits in their pocket.

[Pedro Xaramillo]

Re: Armenia stands today because of Iran?

Communist slave drivers are worse than Capitalist slave drivers. Removing the division of labor allows for the distribution of wages at an even level.

"Communist" , there has never been a Communist state, and the Soviet Union had wage slavery still, meaning it was about as Socialist as China is today, a socialist economy is nationalized and worker controlled... I recommend that you check out http://www.marxist.com, that explain the proper point.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenia stands today because of Iran?

Staying in the current mode of production IS staying with being controlled, because you are basing what Capitalist slave drivers told you to do when they started to exploit the Proletariat, if you do something about it, you do it by removing the division of labour, which is what Haykakan and Ashot is refering to

Communist slave drivers are worse than Capitalist slave drivers. Removing the division of labor allows for the distribution of wages at an even level.

[Pedro Xaramillo]

Re: Armenia stands today because of Iran?

Staying in the current mode of production IS staying with being controlled, because you are basing what Capitalist slave drivers told you to do when they started to exploit the Proletariat, if you do something about it, you do it by removing the division of labour, which is what Haykakan and Ashot is refering to

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenia stands today because of Iran?

What you are basing on though is the Capitalist mode of production, and the one that existed since the Industrial Revolution, things were different before and different classes had different laws, feel free to consult a history book.

And your point is? Are you going to let the system control you or do something about it?

[Pedro Xaramillo]

Re: Armenia stands today because of Iran?

I really don't know where people get their views. After WWI, most families struggled to make ends meet and women were commonly in the work force. My grandmother was working to make ends meet when she met my grandfather. She only stayed home after she had kids. And if you've ever had to watch a baby or a toddler, believe me, it's more than a full time job. Then when they migrated to North America, they had to start all over again working odd jobs in hospitals folding towels and bedsheets, etc. until retirement. Not once were they confused about what they had to do to survive. In every culture, it has been women who kept families together, households in order and they did more than their share of work.

It doesn't matter what you or I think women should or should not do. They should be the ones deciding where to fit into society. Now if you take North America as a model for women's liberation.... then they have decided to either stay home while the men go to work or work very long, dedicated hours which keeps them from raising a family. What this has done is created a society where the household with the 1 income family can't afford to pay for the wife and kids because he's in direct competition with the household with 2 incomes and no kids. Then the juggling that goes into both parents working and running the kids to day care everyday is even more hectic. And if you have to put 2 kids into daycare... forget it, you might as well just stay home because now it's costing you money to go to work

What you are basing on though is the Capitalist mode of production, and the one that existed since the Industrial Revolution, things were different before and different classes had different laws, feel free to consult a history book.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenia stands today because of Iran?

I really don't know where people get their views. After WWI, most families struggled to make ends meet and women were commonly in the work force. My grandmother was working to make ends meet when she met my grandfather. She only stayed home after she had kids. And if you've ever had to watch a baby or a toddler, believe me, it's more than a full time job. Then when they migrated to North America, they had to start all over again working odd jobs in hospitals folding towels and bedsheets, etc. until retirement. Not once were they confused about what they had to do to survive. In every culture, it has been women who kept families together, households in order and they did more than their share of work.

It doesn't matter what you or I think women should or should not do. They should be the ones deciding where to fit into society. Now if you take North America as a model for women's liberation.... then they have decided to either stay home while the men go to work or work very long, dedicated hours which keeps them from raising a family. What this has done is created a society where the household with the 1 income family can't afford to pay for the wife and kids because he's in direct competition with the household with 2 incomes and no kids. Then the juggling that goes into both parents working and running the kids to day care everyday is even more hectic. And if you have to put 2 kids into daycare... forget it, you might as well just stay home because now it's costing you money to go to work

[ashot24]

Re: Armenia stands today because of Iran?

The government should make military service compulsory for both men and women, there should be no distinctions between the two, women can be as good and even better generals, captains and soldiers than men.

The problem is society has always seen women as weak and dependent, since they are children they are taught that if they don't have children and marry, they can't be happy and 'complete' as women. Women often like to see themselves as inferior, in our society, women is nothing more than a sexual object in many cases. And the worst of all is that they like it and are comfortable with it.

Other issues is the fact that women have misunderstood what "feminine liberation" means, they took it as "If he cheats on me, then I am going to cheat on him twice", you know what I mean? If men are idiots, then we have to be idiots too, and even more, we have to be twice as much idiots.

Women must serve in the army, not just as nurses or etc. they have to be soldiers, generals, lieutenants, captains, they also form part of our society and must act as so, they are the daughters of Armenia and women have always been an important part of our country. Mother Armenia guards our homeland, and her daughters must do it as well.

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenia stands today because of Iran?

Nah, I think it's more because when the wife brings home the paycheck, she starts demanding even more things like a bigger house, fancier car, etc. and it ends up doubling the debt. Look honey, with both incomes we can afford a quarter million dollar mortgage Happiness in slavery

Nah thats not it pal. They are just too hetamnats.