Armenia stands today because of Iran?

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenia stands today because of Iran?

Aziz is obviously a persian word! The fact that it is common in our names is because we have been in contact with persia for thousends of years and it is normal that intermixing happened. In regard to your previous point, You really think that a government program is going instill values into the people? Values come from ones family not the government. Those diasporans who keep their armenian identity dont do it because of anything the armenian government has done. The only thing the government can do is to manage the country well so that people would want to live there but values are taught(ornot taught) by parents not the government.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenia stands today because of Iran?

I was saying that most of the Armenians married other Armenians, furthermore the Persians and Turks have Turkified (and Persianified) a lot of our names, which does not mean we mixed with them.

Hayasa-Azzi was a confederation where we have our roots, Azi (azizian) is not an uncommon word in Armenian history.

Exactl, many last names were changed legally by the governments (especially those from Turkey) which is why you have so many Armenians with Turkish last names. It's not due to mixed marriages.

[Tigranakert]

Re: Armenia stands today because of Iran?

Obviously they needed that $10 and they found a way of getting it. If she cannot find another way to get that $10 to feed her or her family can you blame her for entertaining men to get it? Both parties get what they want.

But is it good for the well being of our nation? There are enough people who want to buy as well as to sell drugs. This does not mean we can let everything happen.

[Tigranakert]

Re: Armenia stands today because of Iran?

The flaws in the logic you use are glaring, if armenians always married armenians then how the hell do we get last names like azizian, melikian, parsigian....?

I was saying that most of the Armenians married other Armenians, furthermore the Persians and Turks have Turkified (and Persianified) a lot of our names, which does not mean we mixed with them.

Hayasa-Azzi was a confederation where we have our roots, Azi (azizian) is not an uncommon word in Armenian history.

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenia stands today because of Iran?

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is around to hear it, does it make a noise?

If the Iranian wasn't there in the first place, there wouldn't be any "business" transactions. That's what is called having economic power over another individual. You think Mexicans sell themselves out to Americans and other foreigners because they want to? Hell no... $10 to them is like a fortune.

Obviously they needed that $10 and they found a way of getting it. If she cannot find another way to get that $10 to feed her or her family can you blame her for entertaining men to get it? Both parties get what they want.

[Tigranakert]

Re: Armenia stands today because of Iran?

You dont understand assimilation. Assimilation should be used in Armenia, by accepting foreigners and letting them live there not shutting them out and being racist. Those foreighners will assimilate into our culture if they and their decendents continue living in Hayastan. Assimilation is inevitable as i described previously, no matter how hard you fight it you will either assimilate or you will become a distorted form of what you think you are trying to preserve. Only by living in Armenia will you be safe from assimilation. Racism is a huge enemy here it prevents the country from growing by making others unwelcome. The sooner guys like you understand this simple fact the sooner our country will prosper.

I mean the same, if Armenia promotes marrying non-Armenians and does not set the example (so if it does not discourage it, or try to explain why the ideal situation would be if Armenians married Armenians, in Armenia and in the Diaspora), then why should the Diaspora Armenians marry Armenians?

Then it would become normal for us Armenians to marry whoever we want, and assimilation would go even further. We can not permit it, again, we are different situation compared to other countries.

[Tigranakert]

Re: Armenia stands today because of Iran?

We do not talk about individual cases, we are talking about what the government must do to lead our people (or what our culture must promote). There are enough people who want to use drugs, but it is not good for society.

Assimilation is a great danger and making it difficult or at least not-promoting it (better discouraging it), is good for the well-being of our Armenian nation.

The same about the Armenian church, one nation, one church would not divide our people into groups. There are some Western churches whose sole purpose is based upon anti-Armenian values, like the Jehovas Witnesses (and to some extent the Evangalic church).

Too much freedom will lead to chaos and the destruction of the Armenian nation.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenia stands today because of Iran?

You dont understand assimilation. Assimilation should be used in Armenia, by accepting foreigners and letting them live there not shutting them out and being racist. Those foreighners will assimilate into our culture if they and their decendents continue living in Hayastan. Assimilation is inevitable as i described previously, no matter how hard you fight it you will either assimilate or you will become a distorted form of what you think you are trying to preserve. Only by living in Armenia will you be safe from assimilation. Racism is a huge enemy here it prevents the country from growing by making others unwelcome. The sooner guys like you understand this simple fact the sooner our country will prosper.

Living in Armenia and copying western culture doesn't prevent assimilation. Your liberal views are understandable but disturbing. If Armenia was a nation of 30 million, then what you describe would be beneficial.

[Haykakan]

Re: Armenia stands today because of Iran?

I do not say we must copy the j-e-w-i-s-h influence, I just mention the way they are preventing their culture/ideology/norms/values to fall apart, just as I mentioned the Singaporian system.

Armenian girls (or boys) pick others because they are influenced by the Western culture, which KanadaHye mentioned is totally opposite of our Armenian culture.

If Armenia had a population of over 20 million, we would not have a population shortage and would not have to worry about assimilation, but if you like it or not, we are in a difficult situation not comparable to other countries.

Assimilation is one of thé greatest threats today for us Armenians.

You dont understand assimilation. Assimilation should be used in Armenia, by accepting foreigners and letting them live there not shutting them out and being racist. Those foreighners will assimilate into our culture if they and their decendents continue living in Hayastan. Assimilation is inevitable as i described previously, no matter how hard you fight it you will either assimilate or you will become a distorted form of what you think you are trying to preserve. Only by living in Armenia will you be safe from assimilation. Racism is a huge enemy here it prevents the country from growing by making others unwelcome. The sooner guys like you understand this simple fact the sooner our country will prosper.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Armenia stands today because of Iran?

Iranians did not force those girls to sleep with them! If you want to blame someone for being sexually permiscuise then why are you blaming the Iranian? He didnt raise the woman he is sleeping with. If the Armenian woman wants to sleep with a Iranian guy thats her business, if there was a better armenian alternative she would prefer it but.. Sex is a whole another topic i bet many here have distorted notions about but i dont want to go off topic.

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is around to hear it, does it make a noise?

If the Iranian wasn't there in the first place, there wouldn't be any "business" transactions. That's what is called having economic power over another individual. You think Mexicans sell themselves out to Americans and other foreigners because they want to? Hell no... $10 to them is like a fortune.