Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

[Tali]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Maybe in an office people can just "show up", but if you work in a hospital or in a factory (I should better say a sweatshop), there's no bloody way you can do it.

Yes, I'm a feminist who worked her ass off for an average 10 hours a day in a factory like a man for 10 years, and proud of that.

good for you Odar that's not an easy task.


so, not everyone feels Armenian women are essentially just baby factories, that they are more than a 2-dimensionable character?

hmm.... if you have children, is the same trend showing up in your kids that they are more "liberal" than you guys are?

[Yedtarts]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Yes, I'm a feminist who worked her ass off for an average 10 hours a day in a factory like a man for 10 years, and proud of that.

But I’m pretty sure you blame men in everything that goes wrong in your work or your life, right?

[KanadaHye]

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Maybe in an office people can just "show up", but if you work in a hospital or in a factory (I should better say a sweatshop), there's no bloody way you can do it.

Yes, I'm a feminist who worked her ass off for an average 10 hours a day in a factory like a man for 10 years, and proud of that.

Sucks doesn't it? lol What type of factory? I work with robotics and automation.

[Mos]

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I didn't say all. From my experience and in my particular field, I've found that there are higher standards held for men than women. Especially for women with children, there are needs that need to be catered to. Their travel is restricted. They usually avoid doing any hands on work. They are constantly taking days off because their kids are sick. They can't work overtime, etc. Men on the other hand are expected to travel on short notice. Accept any overtime that is needed to get the job done, etc. None of this shouldn't come as a shock... these are the usual issues that have to be dealt with in a society where families are trying to juggle everything on a day to day basis. This is why so many marriages fail.

I mean as a society, it's expected that we help each other out... you know, watch each other's kids, help out when you can, etc. However when it comes to survival (that IS what life is about) in a multicultural society, it's all for one and one for all. I shouldn't be expected to cover for someone because they aren't reliable but since I work for a corporation, it is what it is.

Keep in mind though men are usually paid more than women, men have higher positions than women, and of course there probably have been laws to combat it, but that disparity in income still exists very clearly.

The thing is when 2 people begin a family with kids and everything, sometimes both cannot support the family, and thus the women is forced to work (I mean what else are they supposed to do?) Now, if women wants to work for the heck of it and not raise her kids that's another story as women as responsibility to raise her kids and make a comfortable home environment, but unfortunately this isn't the case always and we just cannot generalise for the whole population, some times women are forced to raise their children alone, it happens, and thus they have to work. So yes I be there will be unfair moments in the workplace as a result, but keep in mind the circumstances that can affect families and women, it's not always that they don't care about their kids and just want to be independent and have a career.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Keep in mind though men are usually paid more than women, men have higher positions than women, and of course there probably have been laws to combat it, but that disparity in income still exists very clearly.

The thing is when 2 people begin a family with kids and everything, sometimes both cannot support the family, and thus the women is forced to work (I mean what else are they supposed to do?) Now, if women wants to work for the heck of it and not raise her kids that's another story as women as responsibility to raise her kids and make a comfortable home environment, but unfortunately this isn't the case always and we just cannot generalise for the whole population, some times women are forced to raise their children alone, it happens, and thus they have to work. So yes I be there will be unfair moments in the workplace as a result, but keep in mind the circumstances that can affect families and women, it's not always that they don't care about their kids and just want to be independent and have a career.

Men aren't paid more than women, in most cases it's the other way around. A female engineer is more rare and therefore will receive a higher salary. The disparity between wages if there is any is due to men working more hours. Name me any male supermodel that makes more than a female supermodel. Factory workers make the same, it's based on seniority, not orientation. No matter how fair the playing field is, how many husbands support their wives with careers and vice versa, the propaganda is ALWAYS the same.

[levon]

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Yes, I'm a feminist who worked her ass off for an average 10 hours a day in a factory like a man for 10 years, and proud of that.

Congratulations. Now have yourself a sex-change operation and call yourself a man (and be proud). Oh wait, if you do that, you can't ask for special
treatment and xxxxx about how the world is so stacked up against women, and you obviously can't be proud of doing what most men HAVE to do most of their lives (and HAVE BEEN doing so long as civilization existed).

[levon]

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Keep in mind though men are usually paid more than women, men have higher positions than women, and of course there probably have been laws to combat it, but that disparity in income still exists very clearly.

Damn, way to have a change of heart. Looks like you've been working hard absorbing liberal bs.

We just cannot generalise for the whole population, some times women are forced to raise their children alone, it happens, and thus they have to work.

Society has to cater to to majority, which means minor problems may often be overlooked for the greater good. For that reason alone, generalizations are necessary as there is
a special case for every situation. Don't they teach you that at wherever you're being trained to be a feminazi agent?

So yes I be there will be unfair moments in the workplace as a result, but keep in mind the circumstances that can affect families and women, it's not always that they don't care about their kids and just want to be independent and have a career.

No, the workplace isn't a place that's supposed to cater to women with families. It isn't a place that's supposed to care about women personal and family situations. If a worker cannot perform required duties, be it man or woman, then he or she should find another job. Simple as that.

[Tali]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

Men aren't paid more than women, in most cases it's the other way around. A female engineer is more rare and therefore will receive a higher salary. The disparity between wages if there is any is due to men working more hours. Name me any male supermodel that makes more than a female supermodel. Factory workers make the same, it's based on seniority, not orientation. No matter how fair the playing field is, how many husbands support their wives with careers and vice versa, the propaganda is ALWAYS the same.

My brother's a mechanical engineer. Females get paid less than him. Not b/c they're less qualified, but because men are still considered the 'logical ones'. and females 'emotional-driven.'

A male supermodel gets paid less because the audience is mostly male-orientated. at the superbowl, what kind of commercials are shown? don't even get me started on the cheerleaders same in that society. females are chosen b/c a) many men who look at them will buy posters of them; and b) the fashion industry is also catered towards women b/c they're the ones expected to go shopping and wasting money on clothes and xxxelry.

factory workers make the same, but notice how few females there are. it depends on what kind of factory you might argue. sure, automotive vs clothing. overall, automotive factory workers make more than clothing factory workers. why? because automotive is considered "more difficult" than clothing.

the propaganda is the same b/c the demographics to which these industries cater to are still majoritively the same. though yourself and many other users here are beyond that on your personal level -- it's undeniable that the "status quo" is still being supported (whether by choice or b/c there's not enough opposition to change it).

[Odar]

Re: Who is the Armenian girl that our guys strive to marry.

@Yedtarts: no darling, I'm smarter than that :P I can even blame myself for my own mistakes IMO xxxxxxxness makes no distinction of gender, race, etc. As we use to say, "the mother of the fools is always pregnant" (she for real is!)

@KanadaHye: a pickle factory, logistics. I was member of a cooperative - actually a sort of Manpower, Inc. disguised as a co-op - that ran all the operations in the factory's warehouse... from loading/unloading trucks (often manually, I swear) to cleaning machinery and toilets.

@levon: never asked for special treatment. My co-workers respected me because I worked hard and didn't whine about my ruined nail polish (I don't use it). Sorry, but maybe you're the one in need for special treatment.

[Tali]

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Society has to cater to to majority, which means minor problems may often be overlooked for the greater good. For that reason alone, generalizations are necessary as there is
a special case for every situation. Don't they teach you that at wherever you're being trained to be a feminazi agent?

Yes, and in this society, families are still catered to. however, women are expected to be able to create the home and raise the children. while at the same time, many men are losing jobs. women need to step up more to the plate. i myself have to go to school full-time (18 units... 12 units is full-time minimum), i work 3 jobs, i care for my boyfriend, my parents, my grandparents, my cousins, my aunts... and a lot of other family members.

I'm expected to do everything. I am a "bread winner" for my family. Thus, I satisfy the demands of the family, which includes having to work.

No, the workplace isn't a place that's supposed to cater to women with families. It isn't a place that's supposed to care about women personal and family situations. If a worker cannot perform required duties, be it man or woman, then he or she should find another job. Simple as that.

Actually, a work place does. The dangerous line is that if they don't, their workers will leave. If no workers, no job gets done - business fails.

In society, it's usually females given leniency because that's what's expected for her priority -- and as poor KanadaHye is experiencing, because he's a man he's expected to fulfill his role: work more b/c the job needs to get done.