How does everyone feel about Israel?

[KanadaHye]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

Huns = Khazars = Attaturk = Aliyev = Israel

Sounds about right. Khazars were Turkic and after the fall of their (J3wish) empire, they would have mixed with surrounding people since the Khazar empire was never to be seen again.

[Persopolis]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

So you are not Armenian. Comes to show where your allegiance lies.

@Persepolis

What is that the millionth time you have quoted that line "Go pray to..."???

1. What Lucin wrote is not so strange: From the time long before the birth of Jesus up until 150 years ago we were all 'card-carrying' members of the Persian Empire (Armenia's lands were 3 times the size they are now and Persian armies lost many brave men defending the territorial integrity of Armenia from numerous Ottoman and Mongol invasions. During that time Armenians were noblemen (and women) within these vast lands. Every time the Turkic tribes tried to wipe out Armenians they tasted a Persian sword.)

2. Yes I quoted you: that's what that little QUOTE BUTTON is for. It permits people to reproduce the exact words used. Why do you have a problem with me quoting you and pointing out that you spend mosts of your posts defending or trying to minimize Israel's injustices towards Armenians?

For me, Lucian being Iranian and Armenian is perfectly normal - it matches history: Armenians should be proud of their history. See that little designation on the top of the map that says "Kingdom of the Huns" - that's who runs the "Republic of Azerbaijan" now - it used to be called Arran (Albania in English). Huns = Khazars = Attaturk = Aliyev = Israel (maybe not a perfect match, but the commonality and motives of these populations is astonishing to me).



Take a wild guess who Stalin permitted to take control of Bad-Kubideh (BaKu) after Russia seized the North of Iran:
Ask Lucin to tell you what "Shahr-e Bad-Kubideh" means.

[Mos]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

. I am an Iranian myself.

So you are not Armenian. Comes to show where your allegiance lies.

@Persepolis

What is that the millionth time you have quoted that line "Go pray to..."???

[Persopolis]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

I'm an Armenian from Armenia my family has 0.0 to thank Iran for.

I will start a web blog and let the Iranian people and the Iranian government know. Thanks for your feedback.

Just make sure you leave your name with the moderators so they can thank you for the results and your patriotism to Armenia.

[Mos]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

Mos, are you one of those people that really needs to see something with their eyes and told 1000 times something before you may believe it? Put the pieces together. While I am not saying there is a jooish/zionist conspiracy, they do dominate in the field of media and film, and this has been used to further pro-zionist causes. When you also know that zionism, for whatever reasons, is also aligned against Armenia's interests, then you can deduce certain things. No zionist or joo is going to give you a call and explain their plans. I think you, like most people, have grown up hearing all the sap stories from the jooish genocide and the propaganda about israel found on american news channels that it is so hard for you to accept that overall, the joos that matter, are zionists, and zionists have goals which have often run counter to those of the Armenians and Armenia. Can you accept this much or will you make excuses again?

What's funny here, is that you make it sound like the J3ws are the only ethnic group that are out after their interests. They are the only ones that will pursue goals that may or may not run against our interests. The reason the J3ws have such power is because of their large diaspora, similar to why we also are relatively powerful in the world given our small population. I never denied there are many J3ws involved in media, especially in US/Canadian, but saying that J3ws are on a path to control the world is absurd. Sure they are going to strive to be powerful like any other group will, but given their large diaspora as I have said it's going to be more easy for them. The goal of the Zionists in the end of the day is for the betterment and strengthening of Israel. They will do whatever they can do to achieve it, if it means being anti-Armenian, sure, if it means spitting on the Turks, sure. Same with us. I don't care what ethnic group we support or spit on, important thing is, we do whatever it takes to strengthen our country and people. My only attachment is to Armenia and the Armenian people.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

Wrong. I asked a specific person, specific questions in relation to comments HE made. See if you can spot the questions I asked Karo (Is your name "Karo"?):

My Questions to Karo:

1. Have you thanked Iran, or were your parents one of those Armenians that got up and fled without helping Iranians when Iraq tried to invade Iran?

2. Or did you grow up in one of those homes where your parents forgot to tell you that the reason many Armenians are alive today is because of Iran?"

P.S. I have an entire thread devoted to Armenian contributions to Iran and relations with Iranians. I haven't downplayed anything - I am well-aware of the history though others aren't, and where I believe they have an obligation to educate themselves about facts. And some members seem adverse to that information, which is quite shocking to me.

I'm an Armenian from Armenia my family has 0.0 to thank Iran for, the modern state of Armenia and my family are here because of Russia not Iran so No I haven't thanked Iran and i never will they haven't thanked anything to me. Should I thank France, Switzerland etc for the Armenians that they have saved. My family has never fled Iran they haven't even been there my family has lived for the past 100 year in lenakan and before that around and in Kars. Now answer my questions.

@lucin to me it doesn't matter if Iran recognizes but when an Iranian criticizes an other country of not recognizing the genocide I have to point out he's been a hypocrite and should look at his country first.

[Lucin]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

How do you know what Karo is aware of or not? Can you read his mind? He hasn't answered my questions to him - why don't you let Karo answer for himself? Do you brush his teeth for him too?

And if he "is clearly not aware" - maybe he should be. Education is a personal responsibility.
It's an old Chinese proverb: "The teacher can open the door to the classroom, but you have to enter yourself."

Is it too hard for you to understand how a discussion forum functions? Karo is not from Iran, so based on our past convos I know he doesn’t know much about the community. You threw in a fallacy regarding the community, I reserved myself the right to correct it for the unsuspecting reader. End of the story.

[Persopolis]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

First of all, Karo is not an Iranian-Armenian, so he is clearly not aware of what you are talking about; the 'involvement' (or non-involvement according to you) of Iranian-Armenians during the war. Second of all, this is a FORUM, everyone can 'interfere' to comment, disagree, agree, clarify and/or point out a fallacy. Get used to it.

How do you know what Karo is aware of or not? Can you read his mind? He hasn't answered my questions to him - why don't you let Karo answer for himself? Do you brush his teeth for him too?

And if he "is clearly not aware" - maybe he should be. Education is a personal responsibility.
It's an old Chinese proverb: "The teacher can open the door to the classroom, but you have to enter yourself."

[Lucin]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

If you believe that: Sponsor a petition to take the AG memorials out of Iran that the government approved without precondition starting in the 1930s; write a letter to the former President of Iran asking him rescind his visit to the AG memorial in Armenia (which didn't require bribes or lobbying) and tell the Iranian President that you don't need his condolences. Put in your letter that the U.S. and its allies have treated you better and that a sign should be put up next the Armenian churches that Iran helped build that state the following:





If your government hasn't thought of educating its population about the relevant Iranian/Armenian history, in my estimation that's a big miscalculation. Stated differently, I am so surprised at how misinformed, ungrateful, and insulting some Armenians are, and I'm sure other Iranians will be too.

Here's an idea:

1. Go ask your government why Armenia was 3 times the size it was when it was protected by Iran?

2. Ask your government whether the AG occurred AFTER certain Armenian politicians thought that 'Armenia being within Iran's sphere of influence was bad' and demanded that Russia take over?

3. Ask your government how many wars Iran fought against the Ottomans and Mongols that kept trying invade Iran from the North to wipe out Armenia?

4. Ask your government for a list of countries that didn't blockade Armenia during that NK war and refused to sell Baku weapons.

When you have that information at hand, let me know your findings.

Please stop distorting what is being said.

You are not the one to tell me to write a letter to the Americans or anyone else for that matter. As it has been proved many times recognition of the Genocide no matter by who (it has been recognized by many countries like France, Argentina, Sweden, etc.) other than being a tool in the West’s pocket to keep the Turks at bay every once in a while does not do any good to Armenia.

Wrong. I asked a specific person, specific questions in relation to comments HE made. See if you can spot the questions I asked Karo (Is your name "Karo"?):

My Questions to Karo:

1. Have you thanked Iran, or were your parents one of those Armenians that got up and fled without helping Iranians when Iraq tried to invade Iran?

2. Or did you grow up in one of those homes where your parents forgot to tell you that the reason many Armenians are alive today is because of Iran?"

First of all, Karo is not an Iranian-Armenian, so he is clearly not aware of what you are talking about; the 'involvement' (or non-involvement according to you) of Iranian-Armenians during the war. Second of all, this is a FORUM, everyone can 'interfere' to comment, disagree, agree, clarify and/or point out a fallacy. Get used to it.

[Persopolis]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

you just easily down played the role of Iranian-Armenians in the eight-year imposed war.

Wrong. I asked a specific person, specific questions in relation to comments HE made. See if you can spot the questions I asked Karo (Is your name "Karo"?):

My Questions to Karo:

1. Have you thanked Iran, or were your parents one of those Armenians that got up and fled without helping Iranians when Iraq tried to invade Iran?

2. Or did you grow up in one of those homes where your parents forgot to tell you that the reason many Armenians are alive today is because of Iran?"

P.S. I have an entire thread devoted to Armenian contributions to Iran and relations with Iranians. I haven't downplayed anything - I am well-aware of the history though others aren't, and where I believe they have an obligation to educate themselves about facts. And some members seem adverse to that information, which is quite shocking to me.