How does everyone feel about Israel?

[Persopolis]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

Can you tell me when Iran as a state will recognize the genocide? Because I see you xxxxxing that the US hasn't done it while Iran is in the same position, no even worse in the US you have state who do recognize it. So tell me when can we expect that from Iran or else drop the hypocritical BS.

1. Let's get a few things straight: Israel has for 60 years BLOCKED recognition of the Armenian Genocide IN OTHER COUNTRIES, like the U.S., through powerful lobbies. Iran hasn't. Iran has been one of the key players in ENCOURAGING TURKEY to recognize the AG. Iranians know about the AG from first-hand experience (see point #2). Prior to the creation of Israel, J*wish groups in the U.S. have BLOCKED recognition of the AG starting 96 years ago. Iran hasn't. If you can't spot the difference: I can't help you.

2. Iran gave Armenians refuge and safety during the Genocide: ("Thousands of Armenians had escaped to Iran during the genocide." A History of the Armenian People Volume II, George A. Bournoutian Prof. of Armenian History, Columbia Univ.) While Iran gave protection, food, shelter, and opportunity to Armenians fleeing the Turkish pogroms what did the U.S. do? Nothing.

a) Incidentally, why don't you, and others like you, cut the crap: Have you thanked Iran, or were your parents one of those Armenians that got up and fled without helping Iranians when Iraq tried to invade Iran? Or did you grow up in one of those homes where your parents forgot to tell you that the reason many Armenians are alive today is because of Iran? Which is it Karo?

3. Many years ago, when the Soviet Iron-Curtain fell, Iranian President Seyed Mohammad Khatami, in the second day of his official visit to Armenia, visited the Memorial Complex Tsitsernakaberd in Yerevan and laid a wreath on the Memorial for the Victims of the Armenian Genocide in Ottoman Turkey in 1915 and expressed his profound sorrow for those events. Armenia's chief of presidential staff Artashes Tumanian, Yerevan mayor Yervand Zakharian, Armenian deputy foreign minister Ruben Shugarian, and other high-ranking officials accompanied Khatami.

Please do tell me that you protested Israel's slander of Khatami (on behalf of Turkey) when he visited the United States, you did that right? Please tell me that you've done something to return the kindness Iranians have shown Armenians.



3. While Israel puts up statues of Kemal Attaturk (which requires Israeli-government approval) and sells Armenia's mortal enemies arms to kill Armenians during a time of war; Iran has put up dozens of memorials to the Armenian Genocide (which also requires Iranian-government approval). The first memorial of any type to the Armenian Genocide, was in Isfahan Iran. Iran has dozens of memorials to the Armenian Genocide (and nobody had to be "bribed" or "lobbied" as in other countries) - Why don't you explain to me how such memorials were allowed by the government to be put up without their official approval? Give all the details.



4. You want to be honest about America's and Israel's history regarding the AG? Start from when they first knew and explain their behavior up to the present day.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

The starting date of the genocide is conventionally held to be April 24, 1915 - It's 2011.

96 Years Too Late: And this is while Israel Continues to Ship Arms to Azerbaijan to finish off the remaining 3 million Armenians there. Israel-&-Turkey are joined at the hip - The people that made-up the "Young Turks" (the architects of the Armenian Genocide) are many of the same people that were the architects of Israel. There are 3 million Armenians left in Armenia - When will Israel's crimes become a factor? When there's one Armenian left? At this rate Armenians may become extinct or assimilated.


And the United States has known about the AG since the first-day it started happening - it did nothing:

"Deportation of and excesses against peaceful Armenians is increasing and from harrowing reports of eye witnesses it appears that a campaign of race extermination is in progress under a pretext of reprisal against rebellion…Protests as well as threats are unavailing and probably incite the Ottoman government to more drastic measures as they are determined to disclaim responsibility for their absolute disregard of capitulations …Suggest you inform belligerent nations and mission boards of this.”

(Source: United States of America, National Archives and Records Administration Record Group 59, Records of the Department of State Decimal File 867, Internal Affairs of Turkey; Decimal File 860J, Internal Affairs of Armenia.)

It's taken the U.S. and Israel 96 years to figure out that Armenians were led on Death Marches?

Can you tell me when Iran as a state will recognize the genocide? Because I see you xxxxxing that the US hasn't done it while Iran is in the same position, no even worse in the US you have state who do recognize it. So tell me when can we expect that from Iran or else drop the hypocritical BS.

[Persopolis]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

People co-sponsoring Genocide bill of US:

The starting date of the genocide is conventionally held to be April 24, 1915 - It's 2011.

96 Years Too Late: And this is while Israel Continues to Ship Arms to Azerbaijan to finish off the remaining 3 million Armenians there. Israel-&-Turkey are joined at the hip - The people that made-up the "Young Turks" (the architects of the Armenian Genocide) are many of the same people that were the architects of Israel. There are 3 million Armenians left in Armenia - When will Israel's crimes become a factor? When there's one Armenian left? At this rate Armenians may become extinct or assimilated.


And the United States has known about the AG since the first-day it started happening - it did nothing:

"Deportation of and excesses against peaceful Armenians is increasing and from harrowing reports of eye witnesses it appears that a campaign of race extermination is in progress under a pretext of reprisal against rebellion…Protests as well as threats are unavailing and probably incite the Ottoman government to more drastic measures as they are determined to disclaim responsibility for their absolute disregard of capitulations …Suggest you inform belligerent nations and mission boards of this.”

(Source: United States of America, National Archives and Records Administration Record Group 59, Records of the Department of State Decimal File 867, Internal Affairs of Turkey; Decimal File 860J, Internal Affairs of Armenia.)

It's taken the U.S. and Israel 96 years to figure out that Armenians were led on Death Marches?

[KanadaHye]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

I guess he had a change in heart? Another surprising sponsor was Schumer because to my knowledge he is member of AIPAC, and similarly fiercely pro Israel.

Yeah, he was backed by ANCA. Really, Adam Schiff is the only politician that I like who backed Armenian interests. His wife is named Eve and his children Alexa and Elijah. I'd say he's a conservative democrat if there is such a thing.

[Mos]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

Lieberman seems to have been all over the place. Sometimes supporting, sometimes not. Though apparently lately he has been supporting.

Subsequently, however, in 1992, 1994, 1995, and 1996, he joined his colleagues on the Senate floor in honoring the victims of the Armenian Genocide, describing the event as one the 20th century's "greatest tragedies: the death of over 1.5 million Armenians and their exile from their homeland." In his 1996 comments, he spoke against efforts to deny the Genocide and explained the importance of yearly Congressional observances:

"We mark this date in history because it is so important that we remember. We must remember the Armenian Genocide and other abuses of state authority against ethnic minorities. We must remember all of the victims of crimes against humanity. Our memory, our vigilance, is essential to ensuring that these acts do not happen again, to Armenians or any other group."

Lieberman was an early and vocal supporter of the Section 907 restrictions on U.S. aid to Azerbaijan. In speeches in the 1990s, the Senator was vocal in his support for the newly independent Republic of Armenia, and his opposition to Azerbaijani attacks against Nagorno Karabagh. He initiated and co-signed several letters to President George Bush, Secretary of State James Baker and later Secretary of State Warren Christopher condemning Azerbaijani aggression, supporting restrictions on U.S. relations with Azerbaijan, and expressing concern about the Turkish blockade of Armenia. In a statement on the Senate floor on July 24, 1990, Sen. Lieberman advocated the reunification of Nagorno Karabagh with Armenia, stating:

[Mos]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

The whole story
http://www.armeniapedia.org/index.ph...seph_Lieberman

I guess he had a change in heart? Another surprising sponsor was Schumer because to my knowledge he is member of AIPAC, and similarly fiercely pro Israel.

[KanadaHye]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

People co-sponsoring Genocide bill of US:

The whole story
http://www.armeniapedia.org/index.ph...seph_Lieberman

[Mos]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

People co-sponsoring Genocide bill of US:

S.RES.106
Latest Title: A resolution calling on the President to ensure that the foreign policy of the United States reflects appropriate understanding and sensitivity concerning issues related to human rights, ethnic cleansing, and genocide documented in the United States record relating to the Armenian Genocide.
Sponsor: Sen Durbin, Richard [IL] (introduced 3/14/2007) Cosponsors (33)
Related Bills: H.RES.106
Latest Major Action: 3/14/2007 Referred to Senate committee. Status: Referred to the Committee on Foreign Relations. COSPONSORS(33), ALPHABETICAL [followed by Cosponsors withdrawn]: (Sort: by date)

Sen Allard, Wayne [CO] - 3/14/2007
Sen Biden, Joseph R., Jr. [DE] - 1/22/2008
Sen Boxer, Barbara [CA] - 3/14/2007
Sen Brown, Sherrod [OH] - 3/14/2007
Sen Brownback, Sam [KS] - 3/21/2007
Sen Cantwell, Maria [WA] - 10/4/2007
Sen Cardin, Benjamin L. [MD] - 5/7/2007
Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham [NY] - 4/19/2007
Sen Coleman, Norm [MN] - 3/14/2007
Sen Collins, Susan M. [ME] - 3/20/2007
Sen Dodd, Christopher J. [CT] - 3/14/2007
Sen Dole, Elizabeth [NC] - 3/14/2007
Sen Ensign, John [NV] - 3/14/2007
Sen Feingold, Russell D. [WI] - 3/14/2007
Sen Feinstein, Dianne [CA] - 3/14/2007
Sen Johnson, Tim [SD] - 4/11/2007
Sen Kennedy, Edward M. [MA] - 3/14/2007
Sen Kerry, John F. [MA] - 3/14/2007
Sen Klobuchar, Amy [MN] - 3/14/2007
Sen Lautenberg, Frank R. [NJ] - 3/14/2007
Sen Levin, Carl [MI] - 3/19/2007
Sen Lieberman, Joseph I. [CT] - 3/14/2007 - that's a big surprise because he's one of the biggest pro-Israeli politicians you can find.
Sen Menendez, Robert [NJ] - 3/14/2007
Sen Mikulski, Barbara A. [MD] - 3/14/2007
Sen Murray, Patty [WA] - 9/18/2007
Sen Reed, Jack [RI] - 3/14/2007
Sen Reid, Harry [NV] - 4/18/2007
Sen Salazar, Ken [CO] - 4/16/2007
Sen Schumer, Charles E. [NY] - 3/14/2007
Sen Snowe, Olympia J. [ME] - 3/14/2007
Sen Stabenow, Debbie [MI] - 3/14/2007
Sen Sununu, John E. [NH] - 3/14/2007
Sen Whitehouse, Sheldon [RI] - 3/14/2007

Lieberman is "among the strongest backers of Israel on Capitol Hill."[112] Mark Vogel, chairman of the pro-Israel National Action Committee Political Action Committee (NACPAC), has stated that "Joe Lieberman, without exception, no conditions ... is the No. 1 pro-Israel advocate and leader in Congress. There is nobody who does more on behalf of Israel than Joe Lieberman. That is why he is incredibly important to the pro-Israel community." According to The Center for Responsive Politics, Lieberman currently ranks fourth on the list of candidates who received money from pro-Israel Political Action Committees (PACs) in 2006.

[Persopolis]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

I doubt the elite was ever anti-J3wish in America. The rules of law were based on Judeo-Christian principles and J3wish organizations have always had a strong foothold in America. Perhaps they weren't as noticeable or outspoken as they are now.

Be certain you're correct.

The following passages are from Dr. Raphael's book xxxs and Judaism in the United States a Documentary History (New York: Behrman House, Inc., Pub, 1983), pp. 14, 23-25.

"xxxs also took an active part in the Dutch colonial slave trade; indeed, the bylaws of the Recife and Mauricia congregations included an imposta (xxxish tax) of five soldos for each Negro slave a Brazilian xxx purchased from the West Indies Company. Slave auctions were postponed if they fell on a xxxish holiday. In Curacao in the seventeenth century, as well as in the British colonies of Barbados and Jamaica in the eighteenth century, xxxish merchants played a major role in the slave trade. In fact, in all the American colonies, whether French (Martinique), British, or Dutch, xxxish merchants frequently dominated.

"This was no less true on the North American mainland, where during the eighteenth century xxxs participated in the 'triangular trade' that brought slaves from Africa to the West Indies and there exchanged them for molasses, which in turn was taken to New England and converted into rum for sale in Africa. Isaac Da Costa of Charleston in the 1750's, David Franks of Philadelphia in the 1760's, and Aaron Lopez of Newport in the late 1760's and early 1770's dominated xxxish slave trading on the American continent."

[Armanen]

Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

I doubt the elite was ever anti-J3wish in America. The rules of law were based on Judeo-Christian principles and J3wish organizations have always had a strong foothold in America. Perhaps they weren't as noticeable or outspoken as they are now.

No, jooish orgs have not had significant, thus worthy of note, influence until after WWII. Althought the South during the American Civil War did have a joo in a top position, judah benjamin, who is probably the first great American-jooish figure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judah_P._Benjamin