How does everyone feel about Israel?

[Mos]

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If Armenia did that then you can kiss Armenian Quarter in Jerusalim goodbye where the religious xxxs spit on us while their moderates in US decieve us in their support against AIPAC, there is a trend in US.

Religious J3ws spit on everybody who is not a religious J3w. They don't specifically target Armenians.

This is the map of states that recognise Palestine. Even Azerbaijan and Turkey recognise Palestine.

[Eddo211]

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Armenia is one of the few countries that does not recognise Palestine.

If Armenia did that then you can kiss Armenian Quarter in Jerusalim goodbye where the religious xxxs spit on us while their moderates in US decieve us in their support against AIPAC, there is a trend in US.

[Mos]

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@ Persopolis

Well someone was claiming that J3ws as a group are playing anti-Armenian activities, when in reality it's a few Israeli politicians that may make some anti-Armenian policies (e.g. helping azeris)

Do you have proofs that everyday Israelis are actively supporting Azerbaijan? I doubt that they are even aware of their country's relations with Azerbaijan. Actually, I have known some Israelis, and they say that in Israel people are very supportive of recognising Armenian Genocide, no one hinted that there were anti-Armenian sentiments in the populations. Yeah some idiot Israeli generals may want to support Azerbaijan, but saying that Israelis think like that also is generalising. Again, show me a country where all the government's policies reflect the opinion of the populace.

Remember that Israel has a sizeable Azerbaijani J3w population.

You really think Israel supports Azerbaijan because they like Azeris? What were they enchanted by Azeri women? It's simple. Given Azeris tensions with Iran, over the Azeri minority there and other issues, it's simple logic that Israel will develop its relations with Azerbaijan. It's all geopolitical manoeuvring - don't turn this into a Israeli-Azeri love affair.

On a similar note, interestingly, Armenia is one of the few countries that does not recognise Palestine, while Azerbaijan maintains close ties with Palestine to the point, Israelis have threatened to cut ties with Azeris over those ties.

[Armanen]

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He's got you there Mos. The israelis are no 'friends' to the Armenians, especially their government.

[Persopolis]

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You shouldn't let the policies of a few Israeli politicians mean that all J3ws think the same way. Does Saudi Arabia's close ties with US, mean all Saudi Arabians are pro American? Quite the opposite actually.

It's a false argument Mos - nobody stated that the policies of "a few Israeli politicians" reflect the policies of all J3ws -- Did you see anyone on this blog stating this? Of course not - and I believe you know that. Your comment is what's known as a "straw man argument." Moreover, I have stated that Iran, for example, has a small J3wish community that it respects, and I posted a video and explained why. But Zionists are different political-animals-- watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn4ZX...el_video_title

Secondly, comparing Israel and Saudi Arabia is ridiculous -- The policies of the Saudi Government don't reflect the will of the Saudi people because their rulers are not elected nor do they have free and fair elections -- of course there can be no comparison. Israeli-J3ws, on the other hand, are allowed to freely elect their leaders -- and if Israeli arms sales to Azerbaijan (a publicly known fact) or suppression of discussions about the Armenian Genocide through their lobby groups (AIPAC), bothered the Israeli public, you would see Israelis protesting these decisions and voting for other candidates. Unfortunately, we see exactly the opposite -- and this practice has gone on for years. (Of course, the local J3wish kid down the street might speak up about these actions - but the Israeli-public's voting record shows that they overwhelmingly support aiding and abetting Azerbaijan - Armenia's mortal enemy at a time of war). (Mos, if Armenian politicians or lobby groups were funding Palestinian resistance groups, for example, you can be sure the Israelis would not whitewash their criticism of Armenia the way you constantly do for Israel.)

Israelis have also been orchestrating the entire information war online against Armenians (the Azeris were too unorganized to set up these programs on their own). For many years the Israeli lobby was Turky's proxy in the U.S. - now they are Azerbaijan's. (Note: I personally have learned that some "Iranians" and "Armenians" online have actually been Israelis posing as them. I am also fully aware of the training Israelis gave to Azerbaijan in the information war against Armenia.)

Mos, I challenge you to take your 'Israel is not so bad' views and turn them into a speech to give to the Armenian public if Azerbaijan attacks Armenia with Israeli arms. Test the merits of your views.

[Armanen]

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I think the issue is not so much with joos, both ethnic and/or religious, but with zionists who are mostly ethnic joos but it is not a must. Read about Christian zionists, they are part of the problem as well.

[Mos]

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Some people think no matter how much J3ws play anti Armenian games and support our enemies against us, we should keep on kissing their arsses because their real (grand) master is from that race and he would appear and become more powerful to lead us all after they built a certain temple.

It's more Israel, having good relations with Turkey and Azerbaijan, but following the rupture in ties between Israel and Turkey, J3wish groups have stopped supporting Turkish initiatives, and actually in some cases began supporting Armenian causes (e.g. Netherlands). Like any other group, they will do what benefits their country, doesn't mean they are inherently anti-Armenian. You shouldn't let the policies of a few Israeli politicians mean that all J3ws think the same way. Does Saudi Arabia's close ties with US, mean all Saudi Arabians are pro American? Quite the opposite actually.

[KanadaHye]

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Some people think no matter how much J3ws play anti Armenian games and support our enemies against us, we should keep on kissing their arsses because their real (grand) master is from that race and he would appear and become more powerful to lead us all after they built a certain temple.

"If they build it, he will come" lol

[Yedtarts]

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Some people think no matter how much J3ws play anti Armenian games and support our enemies against us, we should keep on kissing their arsses because their real (grand) master is from that race and he would appear and become more powerful to lead us all after they built a certain temple.

[Persopolis]

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QUESTIONS PRESENTED:

1. Are Armenian’s Concerns Over Israeli Misbehavior Anti-Semitism merely because they are expressed?

2. Or should there be evidence that the negative of view of Israel is motivated by a dislike of J3wish religious practices before a charge of Anti-Semitism is found to have merit?

A FEW CONCERNS NOTED BY VARIOUS ARMENIANS – YOUR THOUGHTS?

In April 1998, Igor Muradyan, a famous Armenian political analyst and economist, published an article in one of Armenia's leading newspapers Voice of Armenia and accused J3ws of inciting ethnic conflicts, including the dispute over 'Nagorno-Karabagh' (Artsakh) and demonstrated concern for Armenia's safety in light of Israel's support of and relations with Turkey.

(Source: Union of Council for Soviet J3ws: Titled: “Antisemitism in Georgia, Azerbaijan, and Armenia.”)

Tigran Karapetyan, accused J3ws of assisting Ottoman authorities in the 1915 Armenian Genocide. His interviewee, Armen Avetissian stated that "the Armenian Aryans intend to fight against the J3wish-Masonic aggression and will do what it takes to repress evil in its own nest." Speaking about Armenia's J3wish community Avetissian said that it consists of "700 of those who identify themselves as J3ws and 50,000 of those whom the Aryans will soon reveal.” (Prominent academic figures, such as Levon Ananyan (the head of the Writers union of Armenia) and composer Ruben Hakhverdian, supported Avetissian’s right to call attention to possible threats.)

The head of the Department for Ethnic and Religious Minority Issues in Armenia, Hranoush Kharatyan, said: "Why are we not responding to the fact that on their Friday gatherings, Judaists continue to advocate hatred towards all non-Judaists as far as comparing the latter to cattle and propagating spitting on them?" Kharatyan also accused local J3ws of calling for "anti-Christian actions."

(Sources: The Euro-Asian Je3ish Congress (6 September 2006); Armenian Official Says J3ws "Anti-Christian". Union of Councils for Soviet J3ws. 21 October 2004. Retrieved 27 November 2006.)

In September 2006, while criticizing the American Global Gold corporation, Armenian Minister of Nature Protection Vardan Ayvazyan expressed serious concerns about whether Israeli/Zionist ownership was behind the company.

ANOTHER WAY OF FORMULATING THE QUESTION:

Is it ethical to hate Israel for arming an adversary (Azerbaijan) during war where it is clear that those weapons are intended to be used against Armenians?

And if those weapons lead to Azerbaijani dominance in a war or destruction of Armenian towns or people, would your views change?

Defense officials yesterday updated Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev on their progress with the domestic production of Israeli-designed drones. The two models, Orbiter 2M and Aerostar, both manufactured by a local company, AZAD Systems Co., can cruise for five and 12 hours at altitudes of six and 10 kilometers, respectively.Armenia, which occasionally exchanges gunfire with Azerbaijan, in the past has complained about Baku reportedly flying drones over disputed Karabakh. http://www.eurasianet.org/node/63004