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  • Persopolis
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    Re: How does everyone feel about Israel?

    Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
    Zionists aren't Israelites. They have taken the holy land and the world with it hostage.
    I agree with you too. I am also against imperialism. Armenia and Iran I'm sure will have friendly relations for centuries to come -- I hope Armenia becomes very prosperous and that people return to Armenia from other countries and to help the country. Remember you can just drive into Iran from Armenia and so I think as people get used to this idea (post-USSR) you will see more and more people crossing the border as tourists, to do business, for sporting events, or to study. The great thing about the Iran/Armenia relationship is that Iran will never wake up one day and attack Armenia because we consider you our friends (it's a bit like driving from France to Belgium). Armenia will also have new trade routes, for example, through the Persian Gulf. Governments come and governments go - but the friendly ties between Armenians and Iranians are historic.
    Last edited by Persopolis; 03-15-2011, 01:21 AM.

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  • KanadaHye
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    Originally posted by Persopolis View Post
    There is also a website run by J*wish man who has turned into a Christian pastor -- he is quite a character, but he has provided some information on the Armenian Genocide on his page. I haven't read the whole thing, but thought to put the link below:
    http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=77

    I've read Benjamin H. Freedman's account before - he didn't hide his opinions at all. Zionism & Pan-Turkism have certainly appeared together in many places. It's an interesting field of study. That's not to say all all xxxs are bad: I admire Norman Finkelstein's writing very much. But I've yet to meet a Zionist I've cared for.
    I'm anti-Imperialism so whether it's British, French, American, German, Turkish, etc.. everyone should stay within their sovereign borders and build their own empire. Trade should be done fairly. Resources shouldn't be taken by gun point. We're in the 21st century and a majority of people have no clue about the world around them or who controls what. Diplomatic immunity? Who gives the right for a British or American agent to walk into foreign countries, kill people and be immune to laws. Then the media makes it look like it's the foreign countries that are at fault. Please, the Zionist agenda is so transparent I don't know how people are so unaware of it. Zionists aren't Israelites. They have taken the holy land and the world with it hostage.

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  • Persopolis
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    There is also a website run by J*wish man who has turned into a Christian pastor -- he is quite a character, but he has provided some information on the Armenian Genocide on his page. I haven't read the whole thing, but thought to put the link below:
    http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=77

    I've read Benjamin H. Freedman's account before - he didn't hide his opinions at all. Zionism & Pan-Turkism have certainly appeared together in many places. It's an interesting field of study. That's not to say all all xxxs are bad: I admire Norman Finkelstein's writing very much. But I've yet to meet a Zionist I've cared for.

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  • KanadaHye
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    No questions, just some more reading material...

    Benjamin Freedman Speaks
    A J3wish Defector Warns America

    Introductory Note: Benjamin H. Freedman was one of the most intriguing and amazing individuals of the 20th century. Mr. Freedman, born in 1890, was a successful J3wish businessman of New York City who was at one time the principal owner of the Woodbury Soap Company. He broke with organized J3wry after the Judeo-Communist victory of 1945, and spent the remainder of his life and the great preponderance of his considerable fortune, at least 2.5 million dollars, exposing the J3wish tyranny which has enveloped the United States. Mr. Freedman knew what he was talking about because he had been an insider at the highest levels of J3wish organizations and J3wish machinations to gain power over our nation. Mr. Freedman was personally acquainted with Bernard Baruch, Samuel Untermyer, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, Joseph Kennedy, and John F. Kennedy, and many more movers and shakers of our times. This speech was given before a patriotic audience in 1961 at the Willard Hotel in Washington, D.C., on behalf of Conde McGinley's patriotic newspaper of that time, Common Sense. Though in some minor ways this wide-ranging and extemporaneous speech has become dated, Mr. Freedman's essential message to us -- his warning to the West -- is more urgent than ever before. -- K.A.S.

    http://www.apfn.org/thewinds/library/freedman.html

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  • Persopolis
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    THIS IS THE MESSAGE I GOT FROM THE ALIYEV FOUNDATION ABOUT A QUESTION I HAD:

    "Azeris From Atropatene Are in South Azerbaijan . They Are Persina.
    North Azerbaijan , Comes From Khazars and The Seljuk Rule. South and North Are not the same , No MAtter how We Try."



    THIS IS AN OFFICIAL MAP FROM THE REPUBLIC OF AZERBAIJAN'S SELF-PUBLISHED ATLAS:





    "Mirza Khazar completed his graduation at the law faculty at the Azerbaijan State University. From August 1973 to January 1974, he worked as a lawyer in Sumgait. In June 1974, he immigrated to Israel and attended special courses for lawyers from the USSR at Tel-Aviv University. From June 1975 to January 1976, he served in the Israel Defense Forces."

    Any questions?
    Last edited by Persopolis; 03-13-2011, 11:31 AM.

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  • Armanen
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    Originally posted by Mos View Post
    Having a border with Russia would do wonders for us. But remember how much more difficult attacking is than defending. To take that much territory would take a lot of manpower and also we would lose the image of being the defenders under Azeri aggression. We would never have a military confrontation with Turkey, without Russia on our side, and that as you can predict would be like a World War. Plus, I doubt Turkey or Russia would be willing to fight each other.

    When it comes to markets, I still think the European/Russia markets are much more valuable for us - access with Iran can only give us so much. Remember Iran itself is under economic restrictions.

    If Armenian forces were to put the azeris on the defensive and then break their will to fight they will run all the way to the Caspian like they did in 1994. The more difficult problem would be controlling that area once it has been conquered. The world doesn't really look at us as being the victims either, at least not in word and too often this translates into deed as well. As long as Russia supports Armenia in the drive for a common border and they protect Armenia diplomatically it will not matter much what the world community says or does. To be honest if Armenia could do well economically if it traded with only Russia, the Mid East, the Far East, and Latin America. I am saying this if we were to have a common border with Russia, and if the eu and/or US were to cut or limit trade with Armenia. The future lies with the East, and Latin America.

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  • Mos
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    Originally posted by Armanen View Post
    The Caucasus make the Balkans look simple. I do not think we will have a confederation, so we do not need to discuss this, I just brought it up to show what would be the ideal and what could have occured had the georgians not been the chauvinists which they are.

    Once the railway and highway between Armenia and Iran are complete Armenia will have newer markets and another route to ship its goods and recieve goods. I don't think Armenia would actually drop georgia, but they'd take less crap. Also, since it is a 2 way street, once sakashvilli is gone and there is pro Russian government in tiflis, then we can expect relations to get better between Armenia and georgia.

    On a related note, one idea that has been floated before is if war erupts again in Artsakh then, assuming we win, we will conquer the lands from northern Artsakh toward ganja and further north to the azeri-Russian border. With Russia's support and an Armenian victory I think this can be done, and not much the international community can do if Russia uses the veto at the un. I believe this is more likely to happen than Armenia regaining access to the Black Sea and re taking Western Armenia from turkey.
    Having a border with Russia would do wonders for us. But remember how much more difficult attacking is than defending. To take that much territory would take a lot of manpower and also we would lose the image of being the defenders under Azeri aggression. We would never have a military confrontation with Turkey, without Russia on our side, and that as you can predict would be like a World War. Plus, I doubt Turkey or Russia would be willing to fight each other.

    When it comes to markets, I still think the European/Russia markets are much more valuable for us - access with Iran can only give us so much. Remember Iran itself is under economic restrictions.

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  • Armanen
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    Originally posted by Mos View Post
    True, but there's a long road till even a confederation is possible. There are to many unresolved issues and distrust for all of us to live under the same political structure. I see the Caucasus as similar to the Balkans actually, a small area, filled with diverse groups, religions, politics, etc. In essence, when the Soviet Union broke, we experienced "balkanisation".

    We can't have Iran be our only route to the outside world. We are heavily dependent on European and Russian markets, so having the Georgian or maybe even Turkish border open is essential for our economy. That is why our government works so hard to have good relations with Georgia and frequently has state visits. We even gave Sakashvili a state award just after the 2008 War which angered Russia greatly. The government knows the important of keeping the goods and gas flowing through the Georgian border, and in my opinion one of the reasons that they have not paid attention to the Javakh issue that much is for this reason. Iran can help us a good deal when it comes to economy and they have throughout the years, but they can't replace the Georgia route, as the European/Russian markets are much more valuable and important for us.

    The Caucasus make the Balkans look simple. I do not think we will have a confederation, so we do not need to discuss this, I just brought it up to show what would be the ideal and what could have occured had the georgians not been the chauvinists which they are.

    Once the railway and highway between Armenia and Iran are complete Armenia will have newer markets and another route to ship its goods and recieve goods. I don't think Armenia would actually drop georgia, but they'd take less crap. Also, since it is a 2 way street, once sakashvilli is gone and there is pro Russian government in tiflis, then we can expect relations to get better between Armenia and georgia.

    On a related note, one idea that has been floated before is if war erupts again in Artsakh then, assuming we win, we will conquer the lands from northern Artsakh toward ganja and further north to the azeri-Russian border. With Russia's support and an Armenian victory I think this can be done, and not much the international community can do if Russia uses the veto at the un. I believe this is more likely to happen than Armenia regaining access to the Black Sea and re taking Western Armenia from turkey.

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  • Mos
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    Originally posted by Armanen View Post
    The biggest part of our dislike is due to georgian chauvinism and enviousness of Armenians. Did you read the asbarez article I posted? Armenians have held negative opinions of georgians even during soviet times when both of our nations had the same political alignment. Before shakasvilli came to power, when georgia was still in the Russian camp, Armenians still didn't like georgians much. The feel is mutial but where as ours is reactionary to them, they envy us and therefore when they get a chance to hurt us they take it. While Hayastanci's may not care too much for the Iranians either, they at least understand the positive role Armenian-Iranian cooperation has for Armenia. But all Armenians know that if it were not for the blockade of Armenia, that we'd drop georgia in a heartbeat as our 'link' to the outside world. As soon as the highway and rail line between Armenia and Iran is completed you will see a shift in official Yerevan's responses to georgian provocations in Javakh and against Armenian churches.

    A confederation is based on many calculations, it is not all based on interests. Countries that share similarites in culture, ethnicity, history, religion, language, etc. and have some objective interests as well are more likely to pool together than those who are more foreign. The Benelux are an example of this.
    True, but there's a long road till even a confederation is possible. There are to many unresolved issues and distrust for all of us to live under the same political structure. I see the Caucasus as similar to the Balkans actually, a small area, filled with diverse groups, religions, politics, etc. In essence, when the Soviet Union broke, we experienced "balkanisation".

    We can't have Iran be our only route to the outside world. We are heavily dependent on European and Russian markets, so having the Georgian or maybe even Turkish border open is essential for our economy. That is why our government works so hard to have good relations with Georgia and frequently has state visits. We even gave Sakashvili a state award just after the 2008 War which angered Russia greatly. The government knows the important of keeping the goods and gas flowing through the Georgian border, and in my opinion one of the reasons that they have not paid attention to the Javakh issue that much is for this reason. Iran can help us a good deal when it comes to economy and they have throughout the years, but they can't replace the Georgia route, as the European/Russian markets are much more valuable and important for us.

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  • Mos
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    Originally posted by Persopolis View Post
    @ Mos, your comments are entirely Pro-Israel and Pro-Azerbaijan propaganda - and totally against Armenia.
    So taking a pragmatic approach to politics makes me pro-Azeri/Israeli? Tell me one place that I have said a pro Israeli or pro Azeri statement. You are in no position at all to say that I'm against Armenia.

    1) I'm not making excuses for Israel and I've never said I'm okay with them supplying Azerbaijan. All I'm saying is that weapon selling doesn't constitute creating an idealogical grudge against a country. Of course, it's logical to be unhappy with Israel, but in the end of the day weapon selling is a business, and it's done between many countries all over. If we worked against any country arming Azerbaijan, than we would have to go against Russia as they are one of the biggest suppliers to Azerbaijan, more than Israel actually. But no we don't - we have to be pragmatic.

    2) Israelis don't care about their country arming Azerbaijan. Not because they have something against Armenia, that's BS. There are more important issues on their mind, than some weapon transfer to a external country far away. You elect politicians based on their history with weapon transfer to a random country?

    3) There is diversity in every ethnic group. I know blue eyed, blond haired Armenians (that are pure Armenian), I know Armenians over 2 meters, I even have seen orange haired Armenians. Look there's diversity in every ethnic group, everybody doesn't look the same. You speculation is really flimsy and if you don't have any tangible evidence regarding Aliyev's history than you should make such claims (talking about being ill-informed).

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