Current Condition of Armenia

[londontsi]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Gitek inch? Aveli nakhendreliya es sax xosakcutiunere hayeren linen kante tenank voncen otaryergracinere mer vra xndum. ha mi lav paymaner chen tali siryahayerin. mi kov.ov tun ches kara pahel..sax iranc porere lceluen nayum. Vazgenin inch vor arin sranc petka meke ani.hertov. mi tufta hunanian ho ira dzerov chxpec Vazgenin.et himakva mer sireli ghekavarnernen. yes tarva mec mase aprumem Erevanum muis vaxte drcum. Mi lav vijak chen toghel mer ghekavarnere mer yergrum.baic vochinch mi gij heleluya cranc hartsere lucelu.Angleren grelu mech khntrumem linel mikich kshrvac vor vochmekin arit chtank mer vra khnda!

Spyurkahayeri hamar.
kidek inch? aveli nakhendreli e lman khosagtsiutiunere hayeren ellan kante nayink inchbes odar yergratsinere mer vra ge khntan. ha lav baymaner chen dargr siryahayerun. meg govov dun ches gernar bahel. amen irents pore letsnelun gnayin. Vazkenin inch vor erin asonts bedke enen.garkov.Barab dagar hunanian ir ujov che vr mertsuts Vazkenin. ad himagva ghegavarnerun kordzne. yes darva medz mase gabrim yerevan muis mnatsadze turse. lav vijag me chen tskadz mer ghegavarutiune mer yergirin mech.vnas che khent me bd yelle asonts hartse verchatsnelu.ankleren kradz adenid kichme ushatir kretsek vor urishnerin arit chi dank mer vra khntalu!

If we are laughable then we are laughable.
By hiding the reasons for being laughable we do not stop being laughable.

P.S. Your attempt of writing in arvelahyeren yev arevmdhyeren is laughable.
These days only ignorant thickhead Armenians do not understand each other.

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[londontsi]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Being called "akhbar" doesnt help...

Is that the top priority issue of the nation?

Every foreigner who lives in Europe ( including Armenians),
I am sure has had a derogatory remark made at him ( for being a foreigner), far worse than "akhbar".

[HyeFighter2]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

U love Armenia because u don't live there.
Once you go there and met the ones that you think are our leaders , you will see that Armenia totally not looks like what you think .

iam from armenia, i just living in europe last 5 years, and i know whats going on in armenia, who is its leaders, where are they came from....

[TomServo]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Is that the top priority issue of the nation?

Every foreigner who lives in Europe ( including Armenians),
I am sure has had a derogatory remark made at him ( for being a foreigner), far worse than "akhbar".

But this is a country that dares to promote a slogan like "One Nation, One Culture" when a lot of its people (as evidenced here) are being anything but inclusive. And this is an issue of intra-ethnic conflict so it has nothing to do with foreigners in Europe.

iam from armenia, i just living in europe last 5 years, and i know whats going on in armenia, who is its leaders, where are they came from....

Why don't you get the phuck out of Sweden and go back to Armenia? I'm sure since you know "what's going on," they'll be very good to you!

Federate, it might be worth spinning this discussion off as a separate thread. I don't regret my initial posts because I feel these issues need to be addressed.

[gegev]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

In this turbulent world affected by the economic recession, religious violence and people that are fed and admired mostly with “tangible” assets; like barbeque. “Globalized” people tend to move abroad with hope to acquire wealth and return home for a week to show up his/her “assets” to friends/neighbors; by organizing several “barbeque parties” and telling their friends that they have been working abroad as a president or at least general manager of a company.

This is not only Armenian mentality nowadays; all nations Greeks, Georgians … etc are engaged in this recently.

As refers to life in Armenia; I live there with my family; my three sons work there, are married; I have four grandchildren. They all have decent jobs and I’m satisfied with their achievements (their per month wages range from $800 to $1700). Most of people, who are not that lazy and snobby, in my neighborhood, are employed: I do confess that the salary is not that big but the thing; that they are not called by the other nationalities; գաղթական is a good compensation for me.

I don’t blame people who leave Armenia, most of them move from Armenia with hope to become rich (not for survival), but now it is not realistic, because in the developed country’s there are a lot of poor ones as well, and in this situation the most poorest are the new migrants.

We have good developments in governing recently; now our government officials are full of fear of loosing their positions, a lot of corrupt high ranking officials are detained, under investigation or blamed by mass media means in corruption; that is corruption now is under scrutiny of Armenian civil society.

[londontsi]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

But this is a country that dares to promote a slogan like "One Nation, One Culture" when a lot of its people (as evidenced here) are being anything but inclusive. And this is an issue of intra-ethnic conflict so it has nothing to do with foreigners in Europe.

I think there are two separate issues.

One is, a corrupt party and Government mismanaging for their own gain the country's governance, simply Corrupt and Incompetent.


The other is coming from, I would say from the ignorant sector of the community trying to elevate their status by denigrating another sector of the community.
No different than how foreigners are denigrated.
Admittedly coming from sectors of the same nation.

I would brush such people as ignorant and not dell too long with it.


PS As a new immigrant, to my shock and horror I heard an English classmate call another classmate Scottish bastard.
It was more shocking to me because ten years before I had seen Scottish and English soldiers abusing local Cypriots like me (in one of their colonies.)

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[Mher]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

In this turbulent world affected by the economic recession, religious violence and people that are fed and admired mostly with “tangible” assets; like barbeque. “Globalized” people tend to move abroad with hope to acquire wealth and return home for a week to show up his/her “assets” to friends/neighbors; by organizing several “barbeque parties” and telling their friends that they have been working abroad as a president or at least general manager of a company.

This is not only Armenian mentality nowadays; all nations Greeks, Georgians … etc are engaged in this recently.

As refers to life in Armenia; I live there with my family; my three sons work there, are married; I have four grandchildren. They all have decent jobs and I’m satisfied with their achievements (their per month wages range from $800 to $1700). Most of people, who are not that lazy and snobby, in my neighborhood, are employed: I do confess that the salary is not that big but the thing; that they are not called by the other nationalities; գաղթական is a good compensation for me.

I don’t blame people who leave Armenia, most of them move from Armenia with hope to become rich (not for survival), but now it is not realistic, because in the developed country’s there are a lot of poor ones as well, and in this situation the most poorest are the new migrants.

We have good developments in governing recently; now our government officials are full of fear of loosing their positions, a lot of corrupt high ranking officials are detained, under investigation or blamed by mass media means in corruption; that is corruption now is under scrutiny of Armenian civil society.

Thank you very much for that informative post. It was extremely helpful. Great to hear someone's current perspective from yerevan. Please continue to do this in your future posts as it provides invaluable information that most other people here can't provide. Though I've been to Armenia four times, twice for extended stays, and have friends in early 20's who have have moved there, or who were born and raised there, this is a some great insight that I hadn't gotten before. It's great to see a more experienced point of view, from someone whose responsible for a family, etc.

iam from armenia, i just living in europe last 5 years, and i know whats going on in armenia, who is its leaders, where are they came from....

Aper don't take this personally, but that doesn't say much, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're about 17 or 18. Meaning your "life experience" and "expertise" in Armenian daily life is from the point of view of a 12 year old. Anything you might know about Armenia, is not more than everyone else here. And knowing, and thinking about it in theory and idealistically from 3,000 km away is far different than living in the harsh realities.

Don't criticize people who have gone and tried to make something out of just about nothing in Artsakh, people who just lost their life savings and life's worth of work, and maybe even family members, in a war.

You're a teenager with just about zero responsibilities in life living comfortably in one of the world's most advanced countries, and you're passing judgement on someone who has just lost everything, trying to rebuild his life with nothing, in a weak economy, while keeping together a family.

several of my aforementioned friends who have moved to Armenia are Aleppo Armenians.

[haydavid]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

We have good developments in governing recently; now our government officials are full of fear of loosing their positions, a lot of corrupt high ranking officials are detained, under investigation or blamed by mass media means in corruption; that is corruption now is under scrutiny of Armenian civil society.

Fear? They still can do what they want .
They can beat journalist , even kill opposition, mayors , and get away with it ... As long as the justice and police is corrupt , nothing will go forward. We should act radically , and not step-by-step .

Aper don't take this personally, but that doesn't say much, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're about 17 or 18. Meaning your "life experience" and "expertise" in Armenian daily life is from the point of view of a 12 year old. Anything you might know about Armenia, is not more than everyone else here. And knowing, and thinking about it in theory and idealistically from 3,000 km away is far different than living in the harsh realities.

Don't criticize people who have gone and tried to make something out of just about nothing in Artsakh, people who just lost their life savings and life's worth of work, and maybe even family members, in a war.

You're a teenager with just about zero responsibilities in life living comfortably in one of the world's most advanced countries, and you're passing judgement on someone who has just lost everything, trying to rebuild his life with nothing, in a weak economy, while keeping together a family.

several of my aforementioned friends who have moved to Armenia are Aleppo Armenians.

You are right ! Some here think that war is just something that will come and go come and go ... but it's the worst thing that can happen in every country. But , the Syrian-Armenians aren't afraid of the war since their love for THEIR homeland is so strong. Why they want to move out of Armenia ? Simply because in Syria , 99% of them had good jobs , stores , bussinesses , ... and had a very good life. Poverty was allmost non-existent by the Armenians . And 99% that come to Armenia have knowledge of a job , if it is in gold , in diamont , in cars , ... they all know something but can't find a job to work . And if you can't find a job and pay your childrens food ...

[TomServo]

Re: Current Condition of Armenia

This is for Sweden-based HyeFighter2.

[Hakob]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

In this turbulent world affected by the economic recession, religious violence and people that are fed and admired mostly with “tangible” assets; like barbeque. “Globalized” people tend to move abroad with hope to acquire wealth and return home for a week to show up his/her “assets” to friends/neighbors; by organizing several “barbeque parties” and telling their friends that they have been working abroad as a president or at least general manager of a company.

This is not only Armenian mentality nowadays; all nations Greeks, Georgians … etc are engaged in this recently.

As refers to life in Armenia; I live there with my family; my three sons work there, are married; I have four grandchildren. They all have decent jobs and I’m satisfied with their achievements (their per month wages range from $800 to $1700). Most of people, who are not that lazy and snobby, in my neighborhood, are employed: I do confess that the salary is not that big but the thing; that they are not called by the other nationalities; գաղթական is a good compensation for me.

I don’t blame people who leave Armenia, most of them move from Armenia with hope to become rich (not for survival), but now it is not realistic, because in the developed country’s there are a lot of poor ones as well, and in this situation the most poorest are the new migrants.

We have good developments in governing recently; now our government officials are full of fear of loosing their positions, a lot of corrupt high ranking officials are detained, under investigation or blamed by mass media means in corruption; that is corruption now is under scrutiny of Armenian civil society.

Agree 100%.
It will take time for people to realise how much soviet system destroyed people's drive to create with patience and work ethics.
Most of all the ethics of people's interactions within...