Current Condition of Armenia

[levon]

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Another big mouth, are you ready to participate in collecting money for the operation for Armenian kids this week?

Nop, I'm not. Giving money creates nothing but dependence. It's just a feel good thing for people like you so you can go to sleep happy and don't feel guilty when the next day you spend 10x your donation on new shoes.

[levon]

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Well, the moon landing was a distraction... there isn't really any undoubted evidence that man landed on the moon. The President promises that man will land on the moon in 10 years and it happens... what does a president know about space travel? About as much as Obama knows about oil or combustion engines. NASA is just a branch of the military. It's another organization that uses public money and resources to develop military technology. Bin Laden may not be a myth but he's definitely a fake.

I mean, Armenians love conspiracy theories because we know that people are born liars and are generally dishonest.

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[KanadaHye]

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Nop, I'm not. Giving money creates nothing but dependence. It's just a feel good thing for people like you so you can go to sleep happy and don't feel guilty when the next day you spend 10x your donation on new shoes.

It's really better to burn money than donate it.... at least taking it out of circulation means it won't go back into crooked hands.

Oh, and for the most part people in western countries donate or create organizations for the tax breaks. It makes them look like they are being generous when really it doesn't cost them a cent. The government comes out looking good, everybody is happy and nothing really gets accomplished. Smoke and mirrors.

[Armanen]

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I understand that.

I would like to "know" BEFORE I make any financial or emotional investment into a project.

Can you imagine an inward investor trying to invest with a fear if he will get a funny phone call or not.

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If you are serious about making investments in Armenia make another thread and we can discuss it there. I got some tips.

[Armanen]

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And whose fault is it you don't use your brains to understand the obvious? On how many posts of mine you and your cheap kind are going to stalk me? Is it why you log in here?

Ad since charity part doesn't sound idiotic to you, what is your reply? Are you going to take part in online charity for cancer kids?

Ah, I don't use my brians? You make wild accusations without any proof. Maybe if you stopped with your crazy talk and Armenia bashing my 'cheap kind' and I would have a normal convo with you.


If you provide more info on the charity I will consider it.

[Armanen]

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Egypt fallout: Arab uprising prompts search for differences and similarities in Armenia


The shockwaves of the Egyptian revolution completed late last week through a lasting popular uprising have lightly reached Armenia in the form of talk and speculation and wishful thinking on the part of Armenia’s frail opposition. But pro-establishment forces in Armenia as well as some international experts see little reasons to expect developments in the country according to the Egypt or Tunisia scenarios.

Anti-government protests in Egypt began on January 25 and snowballed into a popular push to remove the government through demonstrations in the streets of capital Cairo and elsewhere in this major Arab country, forcing the veteran ruler Hosni Mubarak to step down after nearly 30 years in power.

While the situation in post-Mubarak Egypt is far from being calm, with continued looting and violence reported even after the dismantling of the Mubarak reign, the significance of the developments in the country for a possible chain reaction elsewhere in the region and beyond can hardly be overestimated.

The Armenian opposition, which unsuccessfully attempted to achieve a government change through similar nonstop street protests this month three years ago, is convinced that sooner or later the wave of revolutions will reach this region as well. But its representatives say that unlike in Egypt where hundreds of people were reportedly killed and thousands were injured in street violence, they can lead a revolution without victims and festruction.

Local pro-government parliamentarians however believe at this time Armenia is immune to any sort of revolution or social riot.

After Mubarak’s resignation on Friday, Armenia’s main opposition Armenian National Congress (ANC) issued a statement hailing the “victory of the people of Egypt”, which, according to the Armenian opposition, proved that “any tyrant in the world is powerless in the face of a peaceful popular mobilization.”

According to former foreign minister Alexander Arzumanyan, who was imprisoned in the wake of the 2008 post-election clashes in Yerevan on charges of organizing the riots, says that “if a tyrant like Mubarak who has ruled for 30 years gets toppled, it won’t be difficult to topple the petty tyrants here.”

While, according to Arzumanyan, the slogans of the Egyptian revolution, such as “bread, freedom, dignity”, are fully applicable in Armenia as well, the ANC, which will launch a series of public rallies on February 18, excludes a revolution according to the Egypt scenario in Armenia.

ANC coordinator Levon Zurabyan welcomes “the victory of the people of Egypt”, but at the same time he stresses that it is not acceptable for their movement.

“We must exclude bloodshed and similar disturbances, we need a smooth political process, we need to reach a velvet revolution,” Zurabyan tells ArmeniaNow, adding, though, that all prerequisites for a revolution according to the Egypt or Tunisia scenarios do exist in Armenia.

“Of course, there are major prerequisites [for such a revolution], such as the social and political crisis, and mounting social protest,” says Zurabyan.

Many analysts in Armenia believe that the stirred wave of revolutions will rather have an indirect effect on Armenia, but it is possible that it will become “a catalyst in conditions of the started social riot.”

Meanwhile, a leading American research center, Stratfor, published a report last week, concluding that an Egypt scenario was unlikely to occur in Armenia.

“Armenia is not typically prone to large-scale unrest and protests, though recently the country’s opposition has called for a large rally February 18 in Yerevan’s Liberty Square, citing Egypt as an inspiration,” the Stratfor report said.

Zurabyan dismissed the report as a superficial attempt at analysis.

While banned street trade in Yerevan, a row over customs clearance for car owners and individual entrepreneurs importing goods from Turkey continues to fuel protest moods in Yerevan and elsewhere in the country government representatives in Armenia insist that “social riots in the country are impossible.”

“There are no such prerequisites, because our government is doing everything and is taking serious steps to carry out reform,” Deputy Parliament Speaker Samvel Nikoyan, representing the ruling Republican Party, tells ArmeniaNow.

Meanwhile, chairman of the Armenian Sociological Association Gevorg Poghosyan warns that “events in the Arab world also threaten Armenia”, which “may lead to self-destruction.”

According to the sociologist, regression has been observed in all the areas examined by his center, namely in education, military, and health.

“This regression poses more danger than the tragic events of March 1 (2008), moreover, emigration looms large again, one of the reasons for this [increasing] emigration is the growing threat of war on the Karabakh front. These are serious prerequisites,” says Poghosyan, warning that unless curbed, this self-destructive trend may even result in the loss of statehood.

http://www.armenianow.com/news/politics/27679/egypt_revolution_armenia

So I posted this for two reasons. First, to show another example of how tools of western agents are trying to undermine the statehood of Armenia, and in essence this 'media outlet' has been calling for a revolution for some time now. They tamed their antics after what happened in March 2008, but in the last few months have stepped up their anti-Armenian activities. The second reason is the sentence in bold. Do some of you who were defending Armenians as this great people who are so talented (I agree btw), yet were confused and even angered when I said people, and Armenians specifically, deserve the government which they have, now see what I and others meant when we said that too many Armenians have been lacking in their social evolution? People sense war, and what do they do? They cut and run. But many of these people who run are the first in line to bad mouth Armenia and call it a dictatorship, etc. These people are our 'self destructive peasantry'. And I say to hell with them, they are not real Armenians!

[Nare]

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Nop, I'm not. Giving money creates nothing but dependence. It's just a feel good thing for people like you so you can go to sleep happy and don't feel guilty when the next day you spend 10x your donation on new shoes.

I cannot believe I am reading this? So you refuse to help an Armenian kid who is on treatment right now in Israel fighting with cancer?
I hope you can sleep well without helping ARMENIAN kids.

[Nare]

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Ah, I don't use my brians? You make wild accusations without any proof. Maybe if you stopped with your crazy talk and Armenia bashing my 'cheap kind' and I would have a normal convo with you.


If you provide more info on the charity I will consider it.

I am not bashing Armenia, you know that. When your close person is ill with cancer you bash cancer to save loved one.

Anyway, we all send as much as we can, no pressure, everything counts, in Armenia bloggers stand at Tamanyan monument and wait for others to come with envelopes at certain day. Those who live abroad send money as it suits them. For now we only have people who help from Armenia and those who live in former USSR or moved to other countries, never had Diaspora members, would really help those kids and their parents. Some kids were saved. But we lost one kid recently after successful operation in Paris...

There is also a fedayi family which is starving, bloggers made an arragments to get 10 people who will send 10$ per month ,so family can have stable 100$ a month. Obviously with rising prices in Armenia it is not enough for anything, but still it is something, and bloggers also are not millioners.
Today we had great news, big donation...

And all details are here, follow the links, please..Nobody will know your details, everything goes to them directly, unless you choose to send money to specific bloggers who will take them from hands to hands...These kids are in hospitals and we are ONLY people they have, look into those beautiful ARMENIAN eyes...

http://armeniansworld.com/?p=10252

[Nare]

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How much money did you, yourself, donate? I guess millions!

Bible says: your left hand shouldn't know how much the right one donated.

You guessed wrong, I don't have millions, but guess what? I do have some amount of money which will not hurt if I donate to the kids who need it it right now!
I just will not buy extra shoes about which Levon was talking... I look good even barefoot lol

I thought Bible said to help others as well, and you don't need to announce it loud, but you (unlike Armanen) never asked for details, that is the difference.

[gegev]

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You guessed wrong, I don't have millions, but guess what? I do have some amount of money which will not hurt if I donate to the kids who need it it right now!
I just will not buy extra shoes about which Levon was talking... I look good even barefoot lol

I thought Bible said to help others as well, and you don't need to announce it loud, but you (unlike Armanen) never asked for details, that is the difference.

I don't need to announce/talk about it loudly, as advised by ... That doesn't mean that it is the first time I heard about charity, and/or didn't take part .... Note please that those of us who didn't talk about it that much, I'm sure, as opposed to ... are really generous ones in fact ...