Current Condition of Armenia

[Armanen]

Re: Current Condition of Armenia

What does that have to do with anything? You think present day Armenians are affected by the overlords many cenutries ago? The only overlord that has direct influence on Armenians today is the Soviet Union.

You have a very bad habit of missing points. It's ok, I think with age you will wisen up.

[Mos]

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You have a very bad habit of missing points. It's ok, I think with age you will wisen up.

Be more clear with what you are saying, it has nothing to with my intellect, I am in academia.

[KarotheGreat]

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Well said enker jan. This is what is meant when I and others state that Armenia needs to evolve. The evolution we speak of is not limited to political but also society at large and even on the religious/spiratual level as well. If society is immoral, lacks discipline and focus, then how can we expect the government to be any better? This is holistic question, it is not limited to something that can be fixed at one point or another, it requires serious efforts on the part of society, the Church, and the current government. The Diaspora has a large role to play in this as well, but so far not enough have committed to solving the overarching issue - societial change.

1000 years of arabic, islamic, turkic, and mongol overlordship will be tough to overcome in 20 or 30 years, but we can and must return to primordial roots.

Today I heard people complain because they had to inform the government they were burning a gas stove. Can you imagine that happening in the west people complaining for informing, not even paying taxes or getting permission to burn gas but inform, but people are still not happy. People in Armenia don't want laws and no matter what they will xxxxx about the government.
And I agree with what you wrote.

What does that have to do with anything? You think present day Armenians are affected by the overlords many cenutries ago? The only overlord that has direct influence on Armenians today is the Soviet Union.

How about indirect? How many of the customs that we think that are Armenian but are Turkish or Arabic and have nothing to do with the Armenian culture? How about the way people act, the way they look at the world and treat each other. A thousand year of occupation leaves a stain on the people. The biggest soviet influence on the subconscious is that the people expect that the government takes care of all their needs and provides for everything.

[Armanen]

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Be more clear with what you are saying, it has nothing to with my intellect, I am in academia.

University of Phoenix online does not count as academia. Sorry to break it to you bro.

[Mos]

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University of Phoenix online does not count as academia. Sorry to break it to you bro.

Why the hell are you trying to insult me? All I told you is to be more clear in what you say, is that so much to ask? (and no I don't go there, I am in one of the best universities in the world)

[KanadaHye]

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A large portion of the diaspora played by the rules when they migrated. A majority of them became successful if not at least useful members of western society. What I see today (and by no means is this only an Armenian problem) but people think they are owed something. They think all they have to do is go through the motions or stages of life and everything will be handed to them regardless of how much effort they put in. Also, I notice particularly that people all want to start at the top instead of climbing the ladder.

[Mos]

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How about indirect? How many of the customs that we think that are Armenian but are Turkish or Arabic and have nothing to do with the Armenian culture? How about the way people act, the way they look at the world and treat each other. A thousand year of occupation leaves a stain on the people. The biggest soviet influence on the subconscious is that the people expect that the government takes care of all their needs and provides for everything.

Please enlighten me on the specific Arabic influences on our mindset and culture. There's more to Soviet influence than expecting government take of its needs, Soviet influence is much more than any other foreign power that has reigned above us. Of course in Armenians from Armenia, I can't comment on the Western Armenians.

[Armanen]

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Why the hell are you trying to insult me? All I told you is to be more clear in what you say, is that so much to ask? (and no I don't go there, I am in one of the best universities in the world)

Why do you insult Armenia with your pfa propaganda?

Karo pointed out a few examples of what I was referring to. The mentality of Armenians, not just in Armenia, is in a poor state. I am of course speaking of the majority, not all Armenians. And before you say, well this is true in all nations, I ask you, don't Armenians pride themselves in being an intelligent ethnic group?
Yet, all Armenians want to be king and give orders but no one wants to be the one who takes the orders. I am of the opinion that the current 'Armenian' mentality is due to our 1000 years of being stateless, under someone else's rule, and the Asiatic mindset that all of these empires had. Now look at the rather short time Armenia was under Russian/Soviet rule, 1820s-1991. Modern culture was brought to Armenia, and not only were we exposed to the great intellectual, cultural, etc. traits of Europe, but this also rejuvinated Armenians to get back to their roots and create our own great artists. Russia has a great deal of Asiatic influences too, so just imagine if we had had German or French oversight instead of Russian, how much further the cultural development of Armenia would have gone.

Do not misunderstand my point, I am not saying we should be Russified or Francofied or any other 'fied', just that there is much to incorporate from Western tradition still in Armenia, things that we helped develop either directly or indirectly, but which we lost due to our distance from Europe, and the constant invasions and subordination to Asiatics. And this means take in the good aspects, the true elements of Western civilizations, not the current extreme liberal, everything is relative, anti-Christian, multiculturalism garbage that is killing much of Europe.

[Mos]

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Why do you insult Armenia with your pfa propaganda?

Karo pointed out a few examples of what I was referring to. The mentality of Armenians, not just in Armenia, is in a poor state. I am of course speaking of the majority, not all Armenians. And before you say, well this is true in all nations, I ask you, don't Armenians pride themselves in being an intelligent ethnic group?
Yet, all Armenians want to be king and give orders but no one wants to be the one who takes the orders. I am of the opinion that the current 'Armenian' mentality is due to our 1000 years of being stateless, under someone else's rule, and the Asiatic mindset that all of these empires had. Now look at the rather short time Armenia was under Russian/Soviet rule, 1820s-1991. Modern culture was brought to Armenia, and not only were we exposed to the great intellectual, cultural, etc. traits of Europe, but this also rejuvinated Armenians to get back to their roots and create our own great artists. Russia has a great deal of Asiatic influences too, so just imagine if we had had German or French oversight instead of Russian, how much further the cultural development of Armenia would have gone.

Do not misunderstand my point, I am not saying we should be Russified or Francofied or any other 'fied', just that there is much to incorporate from Western tradition still in Armenia, things that we helped develop either directly or indirectly, but which we lost due to our distance from Europe, and the constant invasions and subordination to Asiatics. And this means take in the good aspects, the true elements of Western civilizations, not the current extreme liberal, everything is relative, anti-Christian, multiculturalism garbage that is killing much of Europe.

All right that's better.

First off, I'm not insulting Armenia, and please don't say that again as it really irritates me. Why would I want to insult my country and my people?

I agree with the fact that the mentality of Armenians has been constructed by the often rule of foreign powers. We have learned how to flourish in foreign lands (just look at successful diaspora today). When it comes to governing ourselves that's been a different story, as the mindset having been formed from all that foreign rule has been hard to translate right away to successful self rule, though we have made strides and accomplishments.

Of course with Russian rule we were able to greatly advance our culture and also solidify our identity. Another example of a cultural renaissance for us was during Cilicia and of course the independent Kingdoms of Armenia. With that we have also had the influence from Caucasus cultures of course as a good portion of our ancient lands are in the South Caucasus. For example, the cultural exchange between us and Georgians both ancient Christian cultures. But in all the greatest element to our culture has been our Church, and that has been a consistent piece in our identity. When talking about Armenian culture, we have to focus a great deal on our Christianity because with it we've been able to remain Armenians.

[levon]

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What I see today (and by no means is this only an Armenian problem) but people think they are owed something.

Victim mindset. They've been oppressed so someone must make them whole again. Some groups are more prone to this than others.