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  • Sip
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    Re: Was he a hero?

    Originally posted by Siggie View Post
    So it doesn't include non-hyperlinked urls (you said both)? Is there a code you can put to tell it not to include it, but still have it be hyperlinked?
    The classic "PageRank" algorithm that basically started Google only looks at hyperlinks as far as I know (your basic html link that you click on to get to another page). A site's rank is calculated based on the rank of other sites that link to it (so the links matter but also the rank of the site making the link matter). It's all this giant interdependent hosh-posh of links and how everybody's rank depends on everybody else's rank. The beauty of the PageRank algorithm is how it solved for the ranks very quickly (considering there are billions of pages on the web and who knows how many links)

    But this was from like 10 years ago. You can imagine now search engines have become much smarter than looking at just page rank. So what I was saying is that having words, urls, and texts and how they are placed on a web can also matter.

    I don't know if there is some way you can write a page in such a way to tell search engine crawlers to look at some parts or not. Also you have no guarantee they'll take your suggestion But there is this whole robots.txt standard that you can put on your site: http://www.robotstxt.org/ ... that tells the well intentioned crawlers what they may and may not look at.
    Last edited by Sip; 08-19-2011, 12:11 PM.

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  • Siggie
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    Re: Was he a hero?

    Originally posted by Sip View Post
    not to be confused with PigeonRank
    Building on Skinner. Oh, google, you're so funny. <3

    I wonder if they need a research monkey...

    Originally posted by Sip View Post
    That's right.

    Modern search engines use a large number of signals from web pages like occurance of words and phrases (and maybe even urls that are there as text), how close the phrases are together, and a thousand other things to figure out how things relate to each other but traditionally the "link" has been the thing you click on to get from page to page (that's what Google's PageRank algorithm is based on) ... not to be confused with PigeonRank
    So it doesn't include non-hyperlinked urls (you said both)? Is there a code you can put to tell it not to include it, but still have it be hyperlinked?

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  • Sip
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    Re: Was he a hero?

    Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
    I'm assuming that when Google uses "links" to increase a website's search engine position it means a coded, clickable, link in a webpage (in its help pages google only talks about "links", not "urls").
    That's right.

    Modern search engines use a large number of signals from web pages like occurance of words and phrases (and maybe even urls that are there as text), how close the phrases are together, and a thousand other things to figure out how things relate to each other but traditionally the "link" has been the thing you click on to get from page to page (that's what Google's PageRank algorithm is based on) ... not to be confused with PigeonRank

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  • Siggie
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    Re: Was he a hero?

    Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
    Yep, to a designer of websites a "link" means something specific - the link is a piece of code that will lead you to something else. Website addresses (urls) are not actually links in that precise way (though the wider public might think of them as links). I'm assuming that when Google uses "links" to increase a website's search engine position it means a coded, clickable, link in a webpage (in its help pages google only talks about "links", not "urls").
    Yeah, I didn't mean link... I guess I should have said url. I will consult someone who knows a bit more about how search engines do this.

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  • bell-the-cat
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    Re: Was he a hero?

    Originally posted by Christina View Post
    Bravo Bell!
    Thanks.

    BTW, You need to delete some things from your messages storage (maybe empty your "sent items"): your in-box is full.

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  • bell-the-cat
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    Re: Was he a hero?

    Originally posted by Siggie View Post
    Check with the programmers. Particularly those who do webpages.
    All IT professionals are not created equal. I say this because my own resources are a systems person and a network person and had no idea about this.
    Yep, to a designer of websites a "link" means something specific - the link is a piece of code that will lead you to something else. Website addresses (urls) are not actually links in that precise way (though the wider public might think of them as links). I'm assuming that when Google uses "links" to increase a website's search engine position it means a coded, clickable, link in a webpage (in its help pages google only talks about "links", not "urls").
    Last edited by bell-the-cat; 08-18-2011, 08:57 AM.

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  • Siggie
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    Originally posted by Christina View Post
    Bravo Bell!

    As usual your posts are magnificent!
    I will share the how to undo url with a friend. He is an IT Computer techie, so I wonder if he knows this.
    ha ha if he doesn't!
    Check with the programmers. Particularly those who do webpages.
    All IT professionals are not created equal. I say this because my own resources are a systems person and a network person and had no idea about this.

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  • Christina
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    Re: Was he a hero?

    Bravo Bell!

    As usual your posts are magnificent!
    I will share the how to undo url with a friend. He is an IT Computer techie, so I wonder if he knows this.
    ha ha if he doesn't!

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  • bell-the-cat
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    Re: Was he a hero?

    Originally posted by Siggie View Post
    As for the urls. I don't think that solves the problem because it will still be read by search engines whether or not it's clickable.
    I don't think it will be read by search engines - they look for links, not urls. When it is not clickable is just a url and is not a link.

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  • Siggie
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    Re: Was he a hero?

    Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post
    The words "By linking to such garbage" is not making a judgment about the linked site?

    To stop a url becoming a clickable and searchable link, just untick the "Automatically parse links in text" option in the advanced editing window.
    See, there is now no clickable link: http://www.moreorless.au.com/heroes/ataturk.html
    I interpreted what he said as taking the OPs word for it that it was a "bad" site and just saying that it can benefit such sites to talk about them. You're right though, it's best to see for ones' self than to have a knee-jerk reaction.

    As for the urls. I don't think that solves the problem because it will still be read by search engines whether or not it's clickable.

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