isk inchu voch Hayeren??

[sleuth]

Inna STOP!!! preaching nubism in my thread ev xosir hayeren!!

[Inna]

Who says I wasn't raised as an Armenian? I spoke Armenian about three quarters of the day, I went to agoump, I was taught to be proud of being an Armenian, even if half!!! And I still think language is very important in that. If I had not been taught Armenian, I would not have felt the same way.

So if you didnt speak Armenian, you wouldnt feel "Armenian"? I dont understand how that is possible, I spoke Armenian when I lived in Armenia, and that didnt make me feel any more or any less Armenian.

Yes, and somewhere in my long line of ancestry, Diana had Armenian grandparents. That still doesn't make her Armenian. There is no "Armenian gene."

She isnt Armenian b/c her parents, grandparents, great grandparents, etc didnt pass down the Armenian culture, but these Ethopian people that I'm talking about have, shlt, by your standards, "your only Armenian if you speak the language" they are more Armenian then me.

let me ask you something Dan, if you had a child with someone that isnt Armenian, and that child has a child with someone who isnt Armenian, would that make your grandchild less of an Armenian?

Just like I am learning German. Get a book. Get someone to talk to in Armenian. Ask questions. It's not impossible to learn. I dare say learning Armenian is easier than learning Chinese.

You say it like its that easy Dan...why dont you find me an Armenian teacher in Raleigh, North Carolina and I would be more than happy to attend these teaching sessions....learning a language on your own that uses the same alphabet as English is easier since you are already able to pronounce the letters, but learning a complete new alphabet...well now thats hard...there is no one that lives close enough to me that I know of that speaks the language...heck the majority of Armenians that I do know here are all from Baku, and they all speak Russian like me, not Armenian.

Come on, Inna. You know what I'm talking about. You just don't wanna admit it. An Armenian who knows every other language except for Armenian is NOT an Armenian. Period. I don't care if you have Armenian ancestry up to the time of Tigran medz. If you don't know Armenian, you're no more of an Armenian than the Ethiopian who is not an Armenian. Our language is what has set us apart from other nations a very long long time ago. And once we give it up, we will be giving up an integral part of our national and cultural identity.

I dont have to admit anything to you Dan, you of all people should understand how it feels to be outcasted by your own people.

[sleuth]

And once we give it up, we will be giving up an integral part of our national and cultural identity.

APRES!!! darorinag...anonk chen hasknar vor lezun ASTSO pargevne AZGIN xxxx xosetsi ?

[Darorinag]

you obviously werent raised as an Armenian, thus you dont know what I'm talking about. Its the Armenian values and morals that are passed down by your parents, grandparents, thats what I mean when I say "being raised as an Armenian." Anybody who was raised as an Armenian would know what I'm talking about.

Who says I wasn't raised as an Armenian? I spoke Armenian about three quarters of the day, I went to agoump, I was taught to be proud of being an Armenian, even if half!!! And I still think language is very important in that. If I had not been taught Armenian, I would not have felt the same way.

They are not delusional...somewhere in their long line of ancestory they had Armenian grandparents.

Yes, and somewhere in my long line of ancestry, Diana had Armenian grandparents. That still doesn't make her Armenian. There is no "Armenian gene."

Good for you..so you were taught Armenian, correct? You just didnt come out of your mothers womb and began to speak Armenian. So I'm quessing I would have to be taught as well, huh? Please Dan, tell me how I would go about doing that, being taught that is?

Just like I am learning German. Get a book. Get someone to talk to in Armenian. Ask questions. It's not impossible to learn. I dare say learning Armenian is easier than learning Chinese.

Come on, Inna. You know what I'm talking about. You just don't wanna admit it. An Armenian who knows every other language except for Armenian is NOT an Armenian. Period. I don't care if you have Armenian ancestry up to the time of Tigran medz. If you don't know Armenian, you're no more of an Armenian than the Ethiopian who is not an Armenian. Our language is what has set us apart from other nations a very long long time ago. And once we give it up, we will be giving up an integral part of our national and cultural identity.

[sleuth]

es sirumem knats mknikner

[Anonymouse]

Uh oh, she has returneth. Other than your incessant whining in these particular threads related to language, what is the purpose of you on these boards?

[nairi]

So now he quotes a "noted" linguist in defence of his nation's propaganda...

[Anonymouse]

Language aint only a caravan for the expression of thoughts, perceptions, or sentiments, and values of a community. Its also the expression of social identity. As LIke the noted linguist Edward Sapir said, "the mere fact of a common speech serves as a peculiar potent symbol of the social solidarity of those who speak the language." So retaining ones language helps maintain cultural cohesion and kinship.

[Inna]

What are you talking about, Inna? There is a difference between BEING Armenian and CONSIDERING oneself to be Armenian. An Ethiopian can be as delusional as he wants and consider himself to be really really Armenian, but he is not. What does "being raised as an Armenian" mean? Eating harissa, etc.? Duh... Anyone can eat that and still not be Armenian. Anyway, language is one of the most important parts of national identity, if not the MOST important. Music, etc. are important, but it is language that ensures our survival. It was language that was the most urgent need when Mesrob Mashdots invented the alphabet. If a minority like us had adopted the Latin alphabet, we would not have survived this long.

And no, I have no personal agendas against blacks or anyone else. That has nothing to do with what I am saying. Armenians are not black. Armenians are not Chinese. Period.

They are not delusional...somewhere in their long line of ancestory they had Armenian grandparents.

What does "being raised as an Armenian" mean? Eating harissa, etc.? Duh... Anyone can eat that and still not be Armenian.

you obviously werent raised as an Armenian, thus you dont know what I'm talking about. Its the Armenian values and morals that are passed down by your parents, grandparents, thats what I mean when I say "being raised as an Armenian." Anybody who was raised as an Armenian would know what I'm talking about.

[Anonymouse]

Even though I don't speak French, maybe Baron can translate this for the rest of the folks here. Lionel Groulx, said it best, "Chacun retient toutefois que la suprême révélation du génie national, la clef magique qui donne accès aux plus hautes richesses de la culture, c’est la langue." Basically it is something along the lines of each of us retaining the supreme revelation of the national genius, the magic key which gives access to the highest richnesses of that given culture which is the language