The Armenian Empire

[Virgil]

Again, as I said before, if you want to feel yourself more civilised, more victim, more european, more white, etc. you can repeat your stereotypes and can beg sympathy from western world to accept you. This conversaton goes nowhere until you look yourselves from outside and see how racism become rooted in your community character. I recommend you don't play your Turkish hatred game to stand against assimilation since you already assimilated and become a typical American.
Leave real Armenians alone and don't threaten them for their will to make relationship with Turkey. Because they are not living in a comfort like you.
We are ready to solve our problems with them and you obstruct both sides with your blind hatred.

Guaco you sound like a broken record. Ok let me tell how stupid you sound. You are accusing Armenians of being racist, but yet TELL ME one time Armenians have used there influence to hinder Turkey? Please, oh "great" humanitarian, tell me one time Turkey has gone out of its way to help Armenians? For every one time Turks have helped Armenians there are ten times they have tried to undermine the progress of our nation.

Your country is directly helping the enemy of Armenians in Armenia. So, please explain to me how your logic works? You’re accusing the Diaspora of being racist, but yet it was your government that closed its borders at a time when Armenian needed Turkey? So, why the hell would they want to "reopen" the borders with Turkey or even "reconcile" with Turks when in fact it was just ten years that you xxxxed them over? Furthermore, can you please explain to me how you can honestly say that "Turks are friends of Armenians" when in fact your government supports Azerbaijan and their threats? CAN YOU PLEASE TELL ME HOW YOU CAN HONESTLY BE "SINCERE" WHEN AZERI GENERALS, WHO REPRESENT A COUNTRY YOU SUPPORT, STATE PUBLICALLY THAT "WITHIN 25 YEARS THERE WILL BE NO ARMENIA"? Please, oh "great humanitarian", explain to us how Armenians are being "racist" when in fact it was not just 2 months ago that a Azeri Officer butchered a Armenian in cold blood?

I call bullxxxx, your entire "plea" or "logic" is based on a double standard that continually benefits your country. I do not see how you have the odasity to claim that Armenians are "racist" or "aggressors" when in fact it was just 30 years ago when you invaded a the territory of a NATO ally.

NOW, seeing as to how even recently you have xxxxed over Cyprus Greeks, Armenians, and Artsahk Armenians? Why the hell should the Diaspora take your please serious? I mean, ok, if it was once or twice that you committed a mistake, it is understandable but you continually show no initiative to change. Your countries idea of "progression" is to invade other nations.

Let me tell how two faced your stance is. Your country directly invaded Cyprus and is occupying one half of the god dam island. You have displaced the population, took over their property, and are using their sacred churches as stables.

Yet, you support Azerbaijan, who tried to commit a genocide on Armenians in order to "relocate" them. The war in Artsahk was not even between Armenia and Azerbaijan. It was between Artsahk Armenians and Azeri soldiers. You claim that Armenians occupy a fifth of Azerbaijan when in fact they were always there. You can't occupy a country if you have always lived there. Second of all, most of the refugees that fled Azerbaijan were Armenians. That poor old lady that we were talking about in another thread was a Azeri Armenian that was living in Baku.

Turks in Cyprus are the aggressors. Your country directly invaded another country, but yet you continually accuse Armenians of "aggression" and "racism"? Can you please tell me how your logic works? You directly undermined the welfare of Armenians during WW2 by trying to promote notions that Armenians are Semites in order to spark another genocide on Armenians. You helped Israel destroy your Muslim brethren. You are directly occupy another countries territory. You have kept the Jewish gold from WW2. You directly committed atrocities against Kurds. I can list more things you have done to other nations and groups of people.

In short, you have a track record of committing atrocities in your favor and denying them, so, stop accusing Armenians of racism because the only "racist" I see are Turks. Actions speak loader then words and the actions of Turks outweigh their "words".

Lastly, I would like to stress the point that most of the Armenian lobby does not make Armenians look like "victims", but slowly that is what is happening. In no way am I denying the factual events of the genocide. There was a centralized order to exterminate. There is just no way 2 million Armenians that had homes and roots in Armenia would just drop everything and leave. Furthermore, assuming that 2 million Armenians could be part of a "civil war" when in fact Armenians were not considered citizens in the first place is just ridiculously stupid. I have the courage to criticize the actions of my own people because by doing so I may be able to change their outcome, but you are just blatantly lying, ignoring, and using a double standard to justify the actions of your government and fellow Turks. If I have the "balls" to criticize the actions of my own people then I, as a Armenian, will progress, but you continually denying the very fabric that your nation was built upon will never ever create progression. Yes, you can be nationalistic, but to deny the fact that your country has committed atrocities is just being ignorant and using a double standard to justify your nation’s aggression. I am sure you blame the Cypriots for forcing you to invade their country like you blame the Armenians for mistrusting you even though you have directly caused their decline as a people. In short, your logic only benefits you.

[Thai-Samurai]

we came originally from asia but now we have very little blood from them.we dont look like oriental anymore .we are a mixture of asians,arabs,iranians,greeks,romanians, bosnians,hungarians,bulgarians
and guess what armenians...so you can deny but our cultures (with armenia not with the ones live abroad)is very similar.Food,music...Also many old buildings here is built by Armenians, Many old music is composed by armenians.And here we see the armenians as a colour of our society.But you people who live in california and french and other places lost the beatiful Armenian spirit and became a disgusting people without bculture just living for the revange of 100 years ago.

That whole paragraph really just ends up proving that Turks have no culture. And he gives a long list of what Turks are. It's funny cuz we're just Armenian.

[guaco]

Guaco you sound like a broken record. Ok let me tell how stupid you sound. You are accusing Armenians of being racist, but yet TELL ME one time Armenians have used there influence to hinder Turkey? Please, oh "great" humanitarian, tell me one time Turkey has gone out of its way to help Armenians? For every one time Turks have helped Armenians there are ten times they have tried to undermine the progress of our nation.

Your country is directly helping the enemy of Armenians in Armenia. So, please explain to me how your logic works? Your accusing the diaspora of being racist, but yet it was your government that closeds its borders at a time when Armenian needed Turkey? So, why the hell would they want to "reopen" the borders with Turkey or even "reconcile" with Turks when in fact it was just ten years that you xxxxed them over? Furthermore, can you please explain to me how you can honestly say that "Turks are friends of Armenians" when in fact your government supports Azerbaijan and their threats? CAN YOU PLEASE TELL ME HOW YOU CAN HONESTLY BE "SINCERE" WHEN AZERI GENERALS, WHO REPRESENT A COUNTRY YOU SUPPORT, STATE PUBLICALLY THAT "WITHIN 25 YEARS THERE WILL BE NO ARMENIA"? Please, oh "great humanitarian", explain to us how Armenians are being "racist" when in fact it was not just 2 months ago that a Azeri Officer butchered a Armenian in cold blood?

I call bullxxxx, your entire "plea" or "logic" is based on a double standard that continually benefits your country. I do not see how you have the odasity to claim that Armenians are "racist" or "aggressors" when in fact it was just 30 years ago when you invaded a the territory of a NATO ally.

NOW, seeing as to how even recently you have xxxxed over Cyprus Greeks, Armenians, and Artsahk Armenians? Why the hell should the Diaspora take your please serious? I mean, ok, if it was once or twice that you commited a mistake, it is understandable but you continually show no inntiative to change. Your countries idea of "progression" is to invade other nations.

Let me tell how two faced your stance is. You country directly invaded Cyprus and are occupying one half of the god dam island. You have displaced the population, took over their property, and are using their sacred churches as stables.

Yet, you support Azerbaijan, who tried to commit another genocide on Armenians in order to "relocate" them. The war in Artsahk was not even between Armenia and Azerbaijan. It was between Artsahk Armenians and Azeri soldiers. You claim that Armenians occupy a fifth of Azerbaijan when in fact they were always there. You can't occupy a country if you have always lived there. Second of all, most of the refugees that fled Azerbaijan were Armenians. That poor old lady that we were talking about in another thread was a Azeri Armenian that was living in Baku.

Turks in Cyprus are the aggressors. Your country directly invaded another country, but yet you continually accuse Armenians of "aggresion" and "racism"? Can you please tell me how your logic works? You directly undermined the welfare of Armenians during WW2 by trying to promote notions that Armenians are semites in order to spark another genocide on Armenians. You helped Israel destroy your Muslim breatheren. You are directly occupy a another countrys territory. You have kept the Jewish gold from WW2. You direclty commited authrocities against Kurds. I can list more things you have done to other nations and groups of people.

In short, you have a track record of commiting authrocities in your favor and denying them, so, stop accusing Armenians of racism because the only "racist" I see are Turks. Actions speak loader then words and the actions of Turks outweigh their "words".

Lastly, I would like to stress that most of the Armenian lobby does not make Armenians look like "victims", but slowly that is what is happening. In no way am I denying the factual events of the genocide. There was a centralized order to exterminate. There is just no way 2 million Armenians that had homes and roots in Armenia would just drop everything and live. Furthermore, assuming that 2 million Armenians could be part of a "civil war" when in fact Armenians were not considered citizens in the first place is just ridiculously stupid. I have the courage to critisize the actions of my own people because by doing so I may be able to change their outcome, but you are just blatently lieing, ignoring, and useing a double standard to justify the actions of your government and fellow Turks. If I have the "balls" to critisize the actions of my own people then I, as a Armenian, will progess, but you continually denying the very fabric that your nation was built upon will never ever create progression. Yes, you can be nationalistic, but to deny the fact that your country has commited authrocities is just being ignorant and using a double standard to justify your nations aggression. I am sure you blame the Cypruts for forcing you to invade their country like you blame the Armenians for mistrusting you even though you have directly caused their decline as a people. In short, your logic only benefits you.

Virgil, I would discuss your accusations if you were sincere about your opinions for Cyprus issue and Kurds. But you are only trying to win the discussion with the typical methods of someone who is insincere. With the exaggeration and false accusation methods you can only deceive yourself.
Cyprus issue is very complicated so you must be a sincere person to debate it. But if you look tge references of UN, you can understand that both Greeks and Turks are the guilty ones about the issue and I honestly critisize Turkish side, but not to you of course since you are not sincere. If I use you method I can accuse you very very easily with the same situation about your attack to Azerbaijan.
About Kurds, as I said before we are solving our problems but of course insincerely you will not believe me. OK, so read the EU report about Kurds in Turkey which will publish at Wednesdays.
About your accusations with Jews of WW2, I really can't understand you since as neutral states only Turkey and Sweden saved the lives of thousand of Jews. Turksih diplomats are considered as heroes of Jewish people, because the saved their lives. If you don't believe me seach the web, OK?

Please don't reply me if you use this insincere labelling with stereotypes method. Because this is not a discussion contest. But I welcome if you have some sincere qusetions.

[Thai-Samurai]

But you are only trying to win the discussion with the typical methods of someone who is insincere. With the exaggeration and false accusation methods you can only deceive yourself.
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Yeah! Didn't you know that virgil?

[Virgil]

Yeah! Didn't you know that virgil?

This is a message board and to be honest I am not going to spend more time in order to write a university level essay just so I can flex my nuts. To be honest I hate being referred to as a "intellectual" because frankly intellectuals are only talking heads that are pawns for larger powers to use as a way to justify their expansion or shortcomings. I could care less if anyone on these boards thinks of me because frankly its a message and arguing on a message board is retarded. Furthermore, I am not here to create a Armenian legion because that era is over. There just is no way to conquer or invade another country unless you have direct go by larger powers. Turkey gets away with everything because its suger daddy AKA the U.S. allows it.

The age of Nepoleons is over and if anyone has influence over world affairs its a guy in suit. Now, that doesn't you don't need "soldiers", but rather you need a different type of soldier. You don't the guy with the beard chanting patriotic songs, but rather you need the neo-nationalist and in essence the neo-soldier. The in the suit, that drives a ferrari, and yet can influence world affairs with the snap of fingers. That doesn't mean you need more degrees because more degrees doesn't equite to profits, power, or influence, but rather having degrees is more or less a novelity item. Nowadays, true talent and brains is equited by cumilative GPAs and "Extracuricular activities", but yet the worlds most influencial scientists, writers, and in general movers and shakers were anything but "eduacted". Hell, Bill Gates is a Harvard drop out, while Enstein failed Math. I mean yes, you need a education, but having a eduaction is not my idea of a neo-nationalist.

I am not a socialite and I don't like posting on message boards. However, that doesn't mean I will not post, rather, I only post if I feel it is needed. The only reason I confront Turks is because I hate how they use a double standard. They want me, as a Armenian, to forget everything that has happended to Armenians within the last century for the sake of letting "bygones be bygones", but yet they whine, complain, and use technicalities to make sure Armenia does not legitimitly integrate Artsahk as a part of Armenia. I just hate this double standard, if tommorrow Turkey was to stop using this double standard and directly took action against Azerbaijan I would accept the sincerity of Turks, but they still view themselves as Turkish brothers, thus, I as a Armenian am forced to mistrust Turks.

See, here is what really annoys the xxxx out of me. You have this Guaco, yeah he seems like he "gives a dam", but notice how he never condems Azerbaijan for its actions? IF he does he always makes sure to say the same about Armenia in order to save face. However, notice the Armenians on these boards? How many of them have called Armenians like me racist? How many of them have directly tried to ridicule or insult me? Now, do you see why we are a failure as a people? It is like Armenians want to acheive moral superiority even at the extent of alienating other Armenians. That doesn't mean that you have to be immoral, but rather, understand that in order for your people to progress they have take actions that my not be ethnical. Just look at how the world has ignored the genocide. Name me one country that has embraced the acceptence of the genocide without any pressure from Armenians? Now, knowing that no one gives a dam about Armenians why the hell do you as Armenians continually strive to be morally superior? I mean does it make feel good knowing that others think you are "cultured"? Like I said I could care less if a few Sudanese starve not because I am heartless, but because there are more influential powers that can do somthing, but they won't, so, why the hell should I help them when in fact my own country and people are facing extinction? This in essence is why we are a failure as a people. Not because we lack potential, but because we cannabilize one another for the sake of moral superiority.

Honestly, do you think I give a rats ass if a few Armenians want to rip off the government? How many Americans of European descent have terrorized the faces of history books? Many, so, why should I care if a few Armenians want to make a buck off Uncle Sam? Hell, you have CEOs that rip off the American people and the only justice they face is a few fines. But no, a Armenian does a white collar crime and you have the entire Armenian community condemning him. This guy comes on these boards claiming to be sincere and what not and the first thing Armenians do, instead of questioning his sincerity, welcome him like everything the Turks have done towards Armenian within the last century even the last ten years is ok. Like I said most have the "bend me over I am victim" mentality, thus, they will be pushed into the victim camp.

I am just shocked as to how stupid the Armenian youth is. They actually buy into this "one world" and "one human race" ideas of utopia. The very notion of "one human race" means the extinction of Armenians and the other ethnicities on this planet. Everything has a price and the price of living under one banner means that you assimlate and what do you assimilate into? Really think about this for a second, what language are we typing in? English. What country's independence do we celebrate? Americas. What was America prior to its independence? A English colony, thus, in essence we don't become English, but rather we become colonized.

Sure it is great to respect one another, but be so naive as to state that reconcilation will not have a bearing on Armenians is just ignorance. Seeing as to how Armenia is surrounded by Muslim nations, I wouldn't be suprised with the way Armenians embrace assimlation and reconcilation that within the next one hundred years Armenia doesn't exist or if it does the Armenian will be just be another Turkified country. Our ancestors escaped the Turkish schimitar only to be conquered by the song and dance routine of a few Turks and frankly, it is disgusting. This is partially why I just ignore the entire "Armenain genocide" or anything related to this. IT is pointless because I already know where we are headed as a people. Like I said, the fact that a majority of the youth can't speak Armenian should be enough of a reason to take action. Add the depopulation of Armenia and the fact that in theory 50% of the Armenian population will eventually face assimlation and you begin to realize that we are on a one way train towards extinction.

By the way, I just spent 15 minutes writing this, so, don't make any half ass assumptions that I spent hours writing this. I am very short on time and don't like people who assumes thing. IF anything, I worship nerds because they are the true movers and shakers of the world. Oh, and when I mean nerds I am not referring to Chang with the 4.0 GPA.

[Anonymouse]

This is nothing new. I have been stating all this a long time, whether it is colorless bliss or Armenia fading in the next 100 years. But who cares?

As it goes in Armenian, "Asoghin lsogha petk".

[Thai-Samurai]

wow all that just cuz i made a one sarcastic comment

[Virgil]

IT was one of those inspiring moments.

[Shiva]

We are ready to solve our problems with them and you obstruct both sides with your blind hatred.

if you are ready to solve the problems, you get all the other Turks to go to your own government, and get them to apologize for murdering millions of Armenians. It isn't like it will solve the problem, but it would be a big step - the fact that they flat out deny it happened and will not apologize is one of the many reasons that we have problems.

You don't deny or hide the genocide of millions, and saying "lets get along that was a while ago" doesn't cut it unless you try to fix the scars of the past. Your government has to take this step, and at the moment, they flat out refuse.

[Virgil]

if you are ready to solve the problems, you get all the other Turks to go to your own government, and get them to apologize for murdering millions of Armenians. It isn't like it will solve the problem, but it would be a big step - the fact that they flat out deny it happened and will not apologize is one of the many reasons that we have problems.

You don't deny or hide the genocide of millions, and saying "lets get along that was a while ago" doesn't cut it unless you try to fix the scars of the past. Your government has to take this step, and at the moment, they flat out refuse.

HAHA...fat chance this happens. Now they want us to return lands won during the Armenian-Azeri conflict. xxxx the genocide, I dont' care about it because the more you debate about it the more realize how pointless it is. Even if Turks did accept the genocide, do you honestly think the already bankrupt Turkish government will give any sort of compensation? The only thing that angers me is how they use a double standard for everything. They are occupying half of Cyprus, but yet they want Armenia to give back what they deem "occupired land". How hypocritcal is that? I mean think about it for a second, its like me shoting a guy and then telling another person that it is wrong to aim a gun at another person. The idoicy is just to much to bare. Like I said they want "bygones to be bygones", but yet they whine, complain and moan about the losses of Azerbaijan. Turks are like xxxxxs, they will prostitute themselves for any sort of compensation. They are whoring and selling out their Islamic values in order to be a lab dog for the EU. The EU will basically bend them over when it comes down to EU negotiations and clean them out.