how do you write the word "guest"...

[sleuth]

In this case, the right one is the spelling used in Western Armenian. The spelling used in Armenia today was developped in 1922, at Stalin's insistence. The reasons for this new spelling was that it was the first step in the creation of a soviet language, and it also helped widen the gap between Armenia and diaspora. It truly is a shame, and should be corrected ASAP. The language suffers because of it.

Aha!!.I know where are you coming from.They even changed the name of the letters ,alphabet (aip,ben, gim ...to A ,B ,G...).And ecxuse was really lame to make the language easy to learn and outcome is obivous,they stuffed up whole language and as you said there is a huge gap between Armenian and diaspora.And not only the language but we all suffer because of it,really.

Personally I have always been very proud of my perfect^ Armenian.
It kind of feels werid that it is not that perfect .


But then again I pronounce Hooys and Hyoor ,so whats the correct spelling??

[xBaron Dants]

Hooys is the way I pronounce it too. The difference is that the "new" spelling stipulates that you need to write both the "vo" and "hun" to make the "oo" sound, while orginally, a "vo" followed by a "hi" automatically produces the "ooy" sound. Same thing goes for my name, Vrouyr.

Also, when "ser" (love) is written with a "yech" (5th letter) instead of an "é" (7th letter), it messes with the word's etimology (sp?), because root words that have the "é" sound which changes to an "i" sound must be written with an "é". Ex: SEr becomes SIrel. Now all that probably made no sense at all, but I understood it.

[sleuth]

Hooys is the way I pronounce it too. The difference is that the "new" spelling stipulates that you need to write both the "vo" and "hun" to make the "oo" sound, while orginally, a "vo" followed by a "hi" automatically produces the "ooy" sound. Same thing goes for my name, Vrouyr.

Also, when "ser" (love) is written with a "yech" (5th letter) instead of an "é" (7th letter), it messes with the word's etimology (sp?), because root words that have the "é" sound which changes to an "i" sound must be written with an "é". Ex: SEr becomes SIrel. Now all that probably made no sense at all, but I understood it.

AHA!!Now i really got it!! I was confused hahahaha.Thanks Baron. I though I am lost case but it all makes sence now.

[xBaron Dants]

West side of pic is arevmdahayeren, East side is as arevelahayeren..

[sleuth]

West side of pic is arevmdahayeren, East side is as arevelahayeren..

I am crackinggg uppppppppp

lollllllllllllllllll

oh well, we have something common...but i am pretty sure jhannam prounouces apush as abush

[TJ]

further proof of western Armenian (arevmdahayeren) being THE solution!
letters have names.
it's AIp, Ben, Gim, DA, YECH, ZA, EH, ET, TO, Jeh, ini, Lun etc...
the way WE say it, aip, pen, kim, ta, yech, za etc...
So that in situations like these, you could SPELL the letters, (like normal people do), instead of calling a letter "soft R"

now keeping that in mind, the word "Hiour" is spelled
Ho - Ini - Hiun -Reh

translation for arevelahyes: Hiun= pokr v
now it is also fair to mention that unfortunately at some points, our spelling is also different(eastern, western) for example, the way Tigran spelled the same word is different. now I don't know how right Tigran(dikran ) is, for unfortunately I haven't had the chance to master my arevelahyeren, but the way I spelled it is the proper way of spelling the word "guest" in arevmdahayeren.
thank u thank u

Hang me on the gallows and cut off my balls, im very very sorry mr guacho, but i havent memorized the aybuben. All i was doing was trying to be helpful, i could have gone and read the names. but the guy wanted it quick. Why start getting aggressive and saying things like western Armenian being the solution, I have my dialect you have yours, i happen to like mine better because iv been raised with that dialect in Armenia, I do happen to speak western Armenian too, being that a lot of the people i know in New york use western Armenian, it just doesnt sound natural to me, as im sure eastern Armenian doesnt to you, but deal with it and dont think you are going to get 3 million people in Armenia to suddenly switch dialects.
Now, there is no "hiun" in eastern Armenian, instead we have "u" which as i see western Armenian doesnt have.
Since you like the names let me do it over for you. "ho" then "yi" then "u" then "reh". Is that ok or are you still fuming that im not using western Armenian, or that i am doing a "stalinian" ? spelling. That is what i have been taught in school, as well as most of the Armenian population, now go and implement some reforms in Armenia to change the education system so that future generation be luckier than me and be taught this pure and correct spelling of yours.
Please dont call me Dikran, i hate that fu cking name, and i dont understand why every western Armenian feels the f ucking impulse to change my name, whether it was in Armenian school, where after i wrote down Tigran they would change it to Dikran on the roster or in normal conversation with people. wtf is up with that?
So much for trying to be helpful.

[xBaron Dants]

Wow la...let us all calm down.

First off, the "stalinian" comment I made is not something to be taken as offensive. It is merely a truth, and a sad one. Just like there should be no problems admitting that the Western pronounciation is flawed, there should be no problems admitting that the Eastern spelling is also flawed. It was a Stalin-pushed initiative, rejected by top Armenian linguists. Any truly patriotic person would accept these as facts, instead of hiding from them, and making it a "arevela vs arevmda" issue as it is so fashionable to do these days.

Actually, seeing such reforms in spelling in Armenia is one of my biggest dreams, just like reforms in pronounciation in the Diaspora.

As for people calling you Dikran... I can see how that gets irritating, as people always corrected the way I wrote MY name in Armenia

[TJ]

I didnt take your comment to be offensive but i find it illogical to say that it is not the right way, when that is what has been taught in schools and is now used by most eastern Armenians. It is what is now accepted. Yes it is not what it was originally but what do you mean as the "right way". If the historically correct is what you mean then yes you are right, but it is the official way of spelling in Armenia now is it not? It is what 5 million Armenian would call right. And when i said there should be reforms and all i wasnt being sarcastic but supoorting the fact that the language shouldnt have been changed in the first place and if it is possible should be changed back to what it was before, but for now it is "the right way" in Armenia and for eastern Armenian abroad.

As for the name, yes its very irritating, especially when i would go and tell them to change it and even cross it out and write Tigran and the next class it would again be Dikran. I mean what the hell is that? cant i choose my own name.

No hard feelings of course brother im just getting stuff out there and trying to explain it from my point of view. Davai.

[HyeJinx1984]

You're right, it is the official way of Armenia.

Ararat is also officially part of Turkey. What's your point?

[TJ]

My point is that it is not only what is official but what is used by people in Armenia, so ask any eastern Armenian how it is spelled and they will spell it like i did. And yes it is part of Turkey, call it our national symbol or whatever else but you will be lying if you tell someone that Ararat is in Armenia. now what in the world is your point?