Gene-Splicing and Armenians

[Crimson Glow]

I don't understand why you're storming at me as you have...
and I don't understand your being against my seeing my future only with an Armenian. that's how I am. I expect you to respect the way EYE think.
I want my own kids to have an Armenian dad. these things matter to me. I don't understand why you're so against it!

??? What in the hell are you talking about? If we're going to talk about respecting other's opinions, we need to take a step back. Remember, all I did was pose a question for Baron (whom I respect quite a bit, so this was in no way a bashing or anything personal). Then, you came along, quoted me, and responded with the insults. I didn't throw the initial punch in this little debate, so don't go crying now, and acting like the victim all of a sudden. It was my views of not restricting your choices to Armenians that was being attacked, not the other way around. I couldn't care less who you marry, or what you do with your life. I never once attacked you for what YOU wanted to do, but rather the relevance of your points in trying to argue that marrying Armenian is the only way to go. All I did was point out some contradictions (which you actually displayed in that one paragaraph about hyestancies) to the arguments used against my point of view. So, in conclusion, do not turn this around now and try to act like the victim.

Oh, and don't worry. I'm calm as a Hindu cow. Ohhhmmmm.......

Crimson you always seem to show tough love. But I do hope you havnt forgotten the great things about Armenians. I know you havnt. But I guess I'm always to optimistic about this subject. And its sad to say many Armenians have become what you described. Very sad indeed.

At least you recognize it for what it is: Tough love. Nothing ever evolves without pain, and facing the demons that plague you. You have to understand my frustration. Being somewhere where no one has even heard of Armenians, I was ecstatic to say the least when I came across Armenian Chat! Than I was introduced to the divisions of the "different types" of Armenians, the different dialects, all the thug wannabes, all the real thugs dismembering our reputation, etc. To say I was disheartened would be the understatement of a lifetime. To see how far we've fallen is horrifying. And to close your eyes and pretend you can make it all go away by simply saying "marry Armenian".....is a cop out. There are bigger problems to keeping our culture than that over simplified, cliché of a phrase. Look at it from this standpoint: It was a lot of the Cali-100% Armenians that brought me to that state of disappointment. So if marrying Armenian is what's going to save our dying population, why is this the case? I mean, help me understand, here. All you guys want is a head count? Just increase the population? Doesn't matter how far the quality of that population falls?

And no, Goey. I haven't forgotten the great things about being Armenian. My friends and co-workers are sick to death of me bringing it up. Well...actually....a few of them have become obsessed, and now bug ME about Armenians. I spent a decent chunk of change picking up some things on eBay from Armenia, there is a massive Armenian flag on my living room wall (I love when people walk in, and you see that "wtf??" look on their face, but they try not to show it), and Paul (Baron's favorite, and mine) is often heard blasting from the home and car. In spite of having known approximately 0 Armenians, I still speak the launguage fluently. I may struggle with some of the "big" words, but I'd have no trouble in general holding a conversation....or singing along to Paul with Baron. I guess when I talk to people, the vibe I'm getting from large Armenian communities is that being around so many Armenians, the simple joy and pride of the culture has somewhat been lost. It's almost become like...a sub-culture, if you will. So I guess the old saying holds true: Everything in moderation, because too much of a good thing can be bad.

[gevo]

why cant we all just, get along.

[Tigranes]

[QUOTE=Baron Dants]

So, slang is allowed in Armenia, but not in the Diaspora? Iiiiiiiinteresting. You have not read anything from the Diaspora, by the way. Making assumptions would be pardonable if you were at least making the right ones.

Slang is allowed everywhere if it's based on the mother tongue, if it's used by the youth and uneducated and not by teachers or community representatives.
Do you ever watch Horizon? Haghortman varoghner@ erb khosum we crack up each and every time on how hard they try to speak properly with no luck.
It was funny, in all my time here the first time I heard someone speak normal Western Armenian without using any corrupted semitic/turkish words and endings was by a guy named Garo Nichanian. A director of a musical program from the Polsahay center.

True, I have read very little from the Diaspora. Mainly because you hardly had anything to offer in the 20th century. No world class writers/poets such as Emin, Sevak, Teryan, Charents, Kapoutikyan, Dashtenc etc.

The IE excuse you give is just bull. Using that logic, why do you hate Arabs? We all come from the same root anyways. And explain the use of the words "badrjan" and "banidor" (or something like that) that is used frequently in Armenia. I always called those smpoog and lolig...

Are you on crack now? Or what is that thing you people call "shisha"?
First of all we were talking about language not mankinds roots, feel free to believe the "out of Africa" nonsense.

Educate yourself: armenianhighland.com

Badrjan is 100% Armenian, thas yerexa es...

Lolik is not used often because it's reminiscent of another word and sounds indecent.

Bolsahays are turks...once again, a brilliant comment by a brilliant man. Hagop Baonian, Hagop Oshagan, Taniel Varoojan, Siamanto, Nahabed Rousinian, shall I go on?

We're talking about the average Joe and the community as a whole not about a few grains.
Most speak in turkish to eachother and are quite proud of their Ottoman heritage.

Oh, and your last comments about the illegal alien Armenians that all deserve to die have led me to conclude that there is no use talking to you.

Than don't

They are the crap of the nation that is discared by natural selection.
Better someone else take care of them than us.

[angelik22]

little do YOU know that the only reason they do that is cuz your so-called "pure" and best and awesomest and greatest Armenians from Haiastan have killed our name in places like Glendale. just read the LA Times or watch the news. or ask the police department.
to the point that when you tell someone you're Armenian in the San Fernando Valley, they automatically assume that you steal, your kids get in fights with mexican gangs on weekends and you max out 35 credit cards and then file for bankruptcy.

i cannot egree with you more!! but i dont think it matters hayastanci, parskahye, berootahye...or what not...we have ample bad examples in all types of armenians.... although its shameful- we gotta realize that jsut like any other ethnicity- we have the good, the bad and the so caled "ugly"... stereotypes exist whether youre blakc, fuschia or blue.... thats jsut a part of human nature.... its a bitter form of the assimilation, accomodation and prototype theory....we just gotta learn to maintain who we are without having the bad stereotypes get to us and make us bitter.... although we cannot help but be psessimistic, we need optimism for survival.

[Tigranes]

Russian state TV propaganda. There are around 30,000 armed and willing skinheads in Russia. Or was it just Moscow alone? Not sure. But if you count in all the people who, if it came down to it would join them on the street, the number is around 300 to 500,000. It is not gang violence. It is hate.

Even so, what's wrong with it?

Russia is for Russians and for Russians alone.

Fine, they can hate Chechens and Uzbheks and Tajiks and Blacks and Asians and Georgians. But why ARMENIANS?!

Because a good number of Armenians are no different than the muds you listed.
I've been to Moscow and Peter many times and I've seen it with my own eyes.
Hundreds of "Armenian" families living like rats in roach infested slums with ripped clothes and gypsy manners that have status at all. A true rabiz lifestyle.
Normal Armenians encounter no problems.
I interviewed the leader of the RNU and met many other nationalists during my stay there, they were fully aware that i'm Armenian and greeted me like a comrade.

And I don't mean the ones you described, the gangster who get what they deserve. I mean like the father of two children who was beaten up and left for dead in a subway station. He died before the ambulance came. The family was from Baku, they fled the war. Amen to that?

If they didn't go to Russia they would be alive now wouldn't they?
Besides, you don't know the full story. You get the details from the jew owned media.

Or what abou the 9 year old Uzbhek girl stabbed and beaten to death in front of her father, who was later taken care of himself?

Tajik not uzbek.
That "poor tajik girl" that became a posterchild, nobody ever said that it was a drug deal gone wrong.

Nah, there are somethings I can agree with and somethings are just too far.
There is a limit to how effective the streets can be. If they want to stop people from coming to Russia, Moscow in particular, they need to take it up with Putin and their government.

They're trying.

I always wanted to visit Moscow, but it won't be happening any time soon. I've even heard of English and American tourist getting attacked. It's not just a "WHITE" thing, it is a Russian thing. If you are not Russian and do something to stand out, ie: speak, you are a seen as a viable target.

True. A Serb was beaten not long ago...

But again, I don't understand how or why they put Armenians with Chechens and Georgians.

Because you have never seen those "Armenians". Never.

Here is another example I read about:
10 or skins surround two Armenian teens, their leader forces him to kneel down before him, they started screaming things in russian and throw in a few SIEG HEILS! before he takes out his pocket knife and cuts the guys ear off. Screaming "This is for Chechnya" whilst doing so. They were all drunk.
"This is for Chechnya"? wtf did that have to do with that Armenian teenager?

I can see why you don't get it.
There exists a thing called "Litso kavkazskoy natsionalnosti". Central Asian and muslims of the Caucasus belong to that stereotype along with the rabiz type, typical unshaved, arrogant Armenians with no manners.

In fact, none of that crap makes sense. Hitler considered them Slavic untermenschen, I know I know, he really just hated the Bolshevik Jews in power, but still. Those skinheads and the Armenian's grandfather's probably fought side by side against their nazi "enemy".
It's crazy, and it wasn't like that 5 years ago.

If you're registered in SF ask Alexey or my good friend Dr. A Jurievich. They will explain it better than me.

[Tigranes]

little do YOU know that the only reason they do that is cuz your so-called "pure" and best and awesomest and greatest Armenians from Haiastan have killed our name in places like Glendale. just read the LA Times or watch the news. or ask the police department.

We hate them more than you do except most of us don't see much of a difference between the rabiz outcasts and you.

[Tigranes]

Yes, but you see, that's alright, because Russian is an Indo-European language, and so is Armenian...so you see, our culture remains strong this way... Other acceptable languages would be French, Greek or..wait a minute, Hindi or Farsi!

No, I don't get it either, but some people definitely see a logic there.

Those people are mostly jews.

Hindus and Iranians are as IE as Mexicans
Farsi is corrupted by semitic/turkic languages beyond repair.
Now Pahlavi or better yet Avestan I have no problem with.

[Tigranes]

I don't get it. why not?


never heard of Antranig Dzarougian...?
prooves how you're getting yourself into a topic you don't know about... Armenian Literature! for if you haven't read "Mangoutyoun choonetsogh Martig" you're missing a LOT!

Nope, nor has the entire country of Armenia

wish I had the authority to take you to jail for saying that... amot!

Indoor?

you know what? our meeting is coming up! I would LOVE to challenge you ...

No you wouldn't.

I was raised in Syria... and I speak fluent Arabic... we'll see who can speak purer Armenian without the usage of ANY odar terms!!!

You don't speak Armenian, you speak a corrupted form of Armenian that doesn't even have words for anything invented after the 19th century.
You people had no Abovyan.

now tell me when the last time was when you actually said AYO instead of DA!

Nobody ever says da, except Bakvecis! Take a guess why they didn't stay in Armenia after the expulsion from Azveristan?

it's sad really... finding out that there's an increasing number of Armenians from Armenia who don't consider us arevmdahyes pure Armenians.
It's disgusting...

It's actually decreasing...

[Tigranes]

Txmar yerevuyt es bayc du Hayko.
You just hit puberty and now you're some kind of professor.
Stick to learning about the military.

Russians and Armenians have no cultural link, just because we speak an Indo-European tongue does not make us some kind of brothers.

I really do not understand why Russians would be this way to Armenians. See, another thing is, I have heard accounts where they do nothing to Blacks and Asians, but they only tend to pick on those whom have caucasian features (and many Armenians do have these features). Perhaps it is old soviet jealousy, as the people from the Caucasus excelled in all fields, especially love, and I am presuming this was out of Jealousy. However I am just guessing.

Here is the thing, I really do not care about Armenians today, it seems like we are hanging by a thread to our culture. My concern is with Armenians in the future. See, many forumers here want a good life for themselves, and they tend to look at the future too much, and seem to be very selfish. Our forefathers died to stay Armenian, now because we want to live a better life for ourselves, we are going to sell out the blood spilled for an Asian or Negro that will provide us a more comfortable life? Come on guys, there are not that many Armenians, we are an ancient race who has been around for 4.000 years! We have a goal to keep our race alive, we can not take the chance of mixing because there are merely 10mln of us World Wide!

If you can not find a perfect girl to be Armenian, please, do everything you possibly can to teach your child and spouse about our heritage and culture and language. Take your kids to Armenian Saturday school.

I understand most of the people on this forum who want to marry outside the race, truth is, you might have a better life than marrying an Armenian. However, you have to take into consideration that you are not only marrying for your personal pleasure (or a tax break) but for your children. A man and a woman marry to have children and start a family, make sure your kids are Armenian, or you might as well be commiting genocide on yourself.

Just my opinions.

[angelik22]

uff why does it matter whose more armenian than who? this is why we wont get anywhere- we need to learn how to stick together like the jews....