Should Turkey abondon their country

[Thai-Samurai]

thanx man, I never knew.

[cemil]

As Atatürk explained, to be Turk as a Turkish citizen, doesnt mean the ethnic origin. It means the will of working and living for our country, to want goodness of Turkey. Every people,are treated equal, as long as they obey the constitutional order, laws.

Turkey will live till the end of time in peace. In peace, unless its unity is under a threat.

''Peace in the country, peace in the world''
Mustafa Kemal Atatürk

[Thai-Samurai]

As Atatürk explained, to be Turk as a Turkish citizen, doesnt mean the ethnic origin. It means the will of working and living for our country, to want goodness of Turkey. Every people,are treated equal, as long as they obey the constitutional order, laws.

Turkey will live till the end of time in peace. In peace, unless its unity is under a threat.

''Peace in the country, peace in the world''
Mustafa Kemal Atatürk

I didn't know Ataturk was a hippie when he was going around attacking everybody. How did Turks end up on Cypress anyway, it's funny because Greeks were there before there were such a thing as Turks.

[TomServo]

I didn't know Ataturk was a hippie when he was going around attacking everybody. How did Turks end up on Cypress anyway, it's funny because Greeks were there before there were such a thing as Turks.

As far as I know, Cyprus was Byzantine territory until the Ottomans took over. After the Ottoman Empire collapsed it wasn't under Turkish rule anymore. In the 1970's, against the wishes of the United States, the Turkish army invaded again.

[TomServo]

Well, I'd do it, but it's kinda not nice, we brought more than 1,000,000 votes to that poll above in just 2 days, don't you worry, we can do the same here too however it's not really what I want.

Who's "we"? Turks? Do you belong to a Turkish clan?

It's very easy to manipulate that poll. Unlike your Turkish clansmen, however, "we" play by the rules.

American Turk, stay away from me~

[AmericanTurk]

Who's "we"? Turks? Do you belong to a Turkish clan?

It's very easy to manipulate that poll. Unlike your Turkish clansmen, however, "we" play by the rules.

American Turk, stay away from me~

Well, that poll was started by an Armenian exactly as this thread is. I don't know how it happened but after it was mentioned on a few websites, a few million Turks rushed to show their solidarity.

The Turks have a very strong perception for justice. We never denied (as some of you here say) that our ancestors killed many Armenians. What you should remember is that the same Ottoman Government judged, sentenced to capital punishment and executed Talat Pasa and other resposibles for those killings. It was not a genocide, both sides had weapons and the strongest side won. The Turkish side lost more than 523,000 innocent civilians.

If we were a clan, we would have been the biggest clan in the world I guess, but it appears you refer to 2000 years back in the past

I do hope that "you" play by the rules, The Turkish Government spent a few million dollars to open the Ottoman Archives to the international public, plus another few million dollars to provide authenticity certificates from a well known British institute, yet some of "you" refuse even to examine those archives. We did most of our part, now it's your turn to allow "your documents" to be examined against forgery, thereafter (or anytime) "your" presence will be highly appreciated in conferences organized by and in neutral countries. If you know what I mean. And I, on my behalf will never sue "you" for killing my grand-grand daddy's relatives.

[Anonymouse]

And by saying and (I presume) believing this, you are also saying that the Armenian Genocide was both inevitable and acceptable. In the years before WW1 the Turkish ruling elite conciously chose to eliminate all non-Turks from Anatolia in order to end forever the multi-ethnic nature of the Ottoman Empire. Are you saying that their decision was correct?

That is not what I said. Obviously the Genocide is a result of this. History shows time and again that all empires move toward disorders, and the more multi-elements they have the more they will move toward disorder. The only thing inevitable in history is disorder.

[bell-the-cat]

That is not what I said. Obviously the Genocide is a result of this. History shows time and again that all empires move toward disorders, and the more multi-elements they have the more they will move toward disorder. The only thing inevitable in history is disorder.

You are not "saying it" in the sense that you did not spell it out in plain language, but you ARE saying it in practice, and have gone ahead and said it again! The more ethnically diverse a country is, the more disorder there is in that country. The less ethnic elements there are the less disorder there is. So mono-ethnicity is the ideal state since that means there is no disorder and the survival of the nation is ensured. Therefore, any method to enforce that mono-ethnicity is acceptable, including genocide. That is, incidentally, the core doctrine of the Turkish state to this day.

[Anonymouse]

You are not "saying it" in the sense that you did not spell it out in plain language, but you ARE saying it in practice, and have gone ahead and said it again! The more ethnically diverse a country is, the more disorder there is in that country. The less ethnic elements there are the less disorder there is. So mono-ethnicity is the ideal state since that means there is no disorder and the survival of the nation is ensured. Therefore, any method to enforce that mono-ethnicity is acceptable, including genocide. That is, incidentally, the core doctrine of the Turkish state to this day.

Multiracial, multiethnic, and multicultural empires do not last, if that is what you want me to clarify that is what I am clarifying. And the Ottoman empire is just another example of proving this point. Where I disagree with you and where you are putting words in my mouth is on the "any method to enforce that mono-ethnicity is acceptable". The Ottoman Empire was decaying because of its multiethnic elements long before the Armenians decided to imbue themselves with nationalism and long before the fez wearing Asiatics decided to play "Armenians under the scimitar", they just happened to be late players of the game of nationalism. The process of disintegration is the same all over it doesn't matter.

[bell-the-cat]

Then you are saying that the genocide was inevitable. Which is virtually the same as saying it is acceptable, since we must accept what is inevitable.