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[Essodino]

Hey People I am new at the site,, anyone interested to be a friend?

[ArmoBarbi]

It's true, we shouldn't be competing with each other. It doesn't help us one bit. Sometimes we forget... We should support each other. Armenians who speak Armenian often look down upon the rest of us, but why?? Do they see it as a choice we have made? Do they feel we reject being Armenian by not speaking the language? That doesnt have to apply to every case.

I wish more Armophonic Armenians would support us and encourage us to learn in a good way, not criticize. Many of us are learning on our own, THAT is the choice we have made ourselves, not what language our families spoke to us throughout childhood.

Once I learn Armenian, I will be helpful and supportive to anyone I meet who is learning. Only when a person actually shows or says that they dont care about their heritage will I begin to look down upon them.

[ArmoBarbi]

I didnt want to hurt your pro Russian feelings created during the Soviet era, but Armenians are not slavs neither the Armenian language has nothing to do with anything slavic.

The only thing you maybe hurt was my pride in knowledge about my culture not any special love of Russian. Of course we aren't Slavs, and Armenian is not a Slavic language. I am only for more independence and recognition for our nation. I hate to be called Russian. I always specify that I am Armenian, and tell people as much as they will understand about it. I did not mean to sound harsh either.

[Siamanto]

I think we should stop this ''we am more Armenians than you'' thing.It is serving the interests of our enemies and it just makes the drift between our people bigger.

Agreed,

Love you man
P.S. I'm still learning to be a better Armenian, btw

If that is the case, then may I ask why most of your posts prove the contrary i.e. you are from a "better" Armenian Community?

As far as I'm concerned though, I would much rather prefer speaking Russo-Armenian, than the Armenian that contains many turkish words: shalvar, sapon, zibil, zeitun, etc... On the side note, Armenians in diaspora speak better Armenian than the Haiastancis (IMO).

I would also prefer Russian words to *urkish ones; but is any of the words above *urkish? I seriously doubt!

The only people I ever remember not knowing Armenian or having a poor Armenian were Armenians who had a Russian parent or were brought up outside Armenia.

I'm happy to know that you do not discriminate!

The rest of us all spoke it fluently (so the above bit is somewhat exaggerated). Us Haiastancis only had problem with vocabulary, not knowing the true Armenian words and instead opting for the foreign ones.

Isn't your statement contradictory? So you spoke fluently the Armenian language using non-Armenian vocabulary.




Note: I have chosen to auto censor the words "*urk" or "*urkish" because it is commonly perceived as unpleasant and offending, evokes unpleasant emotions and imagery and is pregnant with immoral and evil connotations!

[Siamanto]

Once I learn Armenian, I will be helpful and supportive to anyone I meet who is learning. Only when a person actually shows or says that they dont care about their heritage will I begin to look down upon them.

Yes!

Once I learn Armenian, I will be helpful and supportive to anyone I meet who is learning. Only when a person actually shows or says that they dont care about their heritage will I begin to look down upon them.

Noble!

[karoaper]

Siamanto (nice name btw),
I do not and never have felt better or superior to any other Armenians, except for the Armenian prostitutes in turkey (I know I sounded harsh in that post, but anger is a powerful emotion) and few others of similar sort. My posts clearly specify that people in Armenia - a group I belong to - in fact had problems with speaking "pure" Armenian. We did speak fluent Armenian that was sprinkled with foreign or foreign derived vocabulary. So in fact you could say I was descriminating against myself. I also said that I found that people in Diaspora speak better Armenian. Also, by saying which were the families that didn't speak fluent Armenian I was merely stating a fact. I myself went to a school in Armenia, which had a Russian emphasis (there were 2 types of schools: with Armenian emphasis and Russian emphasis). We couldn't speak Armenian on the premises. Because of this I didn't speak as fluently as others whose families spoke only Armenian at home. I need to clarify that there are many levels of fluency. As far as the words I mentioned, they are in fact turkish. Of course that only means they are derived from other languages originally (it's prob what you ment).

[Siamanto]

Siamanto (nice name btw),
I do not and never have felt better or superior to any other Armenians, except for the Armenian prostitutes in turkey (I know I sounded harsh in that post, but anger is a powerful emotion) and few others of similar sort. My posts clearly specify that people in Armenia - a group I belong to - in fact had problems with speaking "pure" Armenian. We did speak fluent Armenian that was sprinkled with foreign or foreign derived vocabulary. So in fact you could say I was descriminating against myself. I also said that I found that people in Diaspora speak better Armenian. Also, by saying which were the families that didn't speak fluent Armenian I was merely stating a fact. I myself went to a school in Armenia, which had a Russian emphasis (there were 2 types of schools: with Armenian emphasis and Russian emphasis). We couldn't speak Armenian on the premises. Because of this I didn't speak as fluently as others whose families spoke only Armenian at home. .

karoaper,
We're cool!
Yes, I am the spirit of an unborn descendant of Siamanto!
I just think that you were a little unfair towards those who did not have the opportunity to learn Armenian and who usually make a bigger effort than those who are fortunate enough to live in communities where Armenian is spoken.
I see what you mean about Armenians speaking *urkish; it annoys me too, but I know very "hayaser" Armenians from TEMPORARILY SO CALLED Turkey. I agree that they should not speak *urkish and it may upset me, but I would not reject them because of that.

I need to clarify that there are many levels of fluency. As far as the words I mentioned, they are in fact turkish. Of course that only means they are derived from other languages originally (it's prob what you ment).

Are you sure enough to bet on it?
They may be used in *urkish, but they don't sound *urkish; they are probably loaned words to Persian, Arabic or...
For instance "zeitun" is also used in Spanish i.e. "aceituna." "Shalvar" sounds Persian, not *urkish. "Sapon" is the French "savon" or the Spanish "jabón." etc. etc.
Are we betting?

[karoaper]

karoaper,
Are you sure enough to bet on it?
They may be used in *urkish, but they don't sound *urkish; they are probably loaned words to Persian, Arabic or...
For instance "zeitun" is also used in Spanish i.e. "aceituna." "Shalvar" sounds Persian, not *urkish. "Sapon" is the French "savon" or the Spanish "jabón." etc. etc.
Are we betting?

Ok, let's bet say 30 dram. Comon that's a lot of money. You're right in fact that the words are all foreign and non-turkish (shield your eyes) derived. In fact sapon is directly taken from italian sapone. My point was that we prob took these words from turks.

By the way, these are the words in Armenian for said items (soap - otcharr, pants - vartik, olive - dzetaptugh, garbage - akhp).

[Siamanto]

Ok, let's bet say 30 dram. Comon that's a lot of money. You're right in fact that the words are all foreign and non-turkish (shield your eyes) derived. In fact sapon is directly taken from italian sapone. My point was that we prob took these words from turks.

By the way, these are the words in Armenian for said items (soap - otcharr, pants - vartik, olive - dzetaptugh, garbage - akhp).

I had in mind 1 dram, but I'll take your 30 drams. Great, now I can afford to buy...*thinks hard*

Thanks for the translation. I already knew the words. By the way, "tsitab@dough" and "aceituna/zeitun" have the same root! Also, in Western Armenian "vardig" means underpants and is rather used by kids! "Dapad" is pants!

[messiah33]

It's true, we shouldn't be competing with each other. It doesn't help us one bit. Sometimes we forget... We should support each other. Armenians who speak Armenian often look down upon the rest of us, but why?? Do they see it as a choice we have made? Do they feel we reject being Armenian by not speaking the language? That doesnt have to apply to every case.

I wish more Armophonic Armenians would support us and encourage us to learn in a good way, not criticize. Many of us are learning on our own, THAT is the choice we have made ourselves, not what language our families spoke to us throughout childhood.

Once I learn Armenian, I will be helpful and supportive to anyone I meet who is learning. Only when a person actually shows or says that they dont care about their heritage will I begin to look down upon them.

absolutely totally agree