Will Armenians always hold a hatred towards the Turks?

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Sip replied

04-27-2006, 09:35 AM
Re: Will Armenians always hold a hatred towards the Turks?

Yah considering it's been close to a century, I'd say yah, we know
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Turkish Dude replied

04-27-2006, 07:57 AM
Re: Will Armenians always hold a hatred towards the Turks?

Originally posted by EMRE

hey whats your problem traitor so-called turk...after reading your post,I was ABOUT TO WAIL.you must be ashamed of yourself..how can you feel constrained to accept genocide..Im ashamed of you.Idont believe that you are turk.we are very noble nation.but unfortunately we have such kind of traitors as you..my best desire:::may god protect us form traitors as you!!!pity pity pity... be off!!!

Can any Armenians understand why genocide recognition amongst the Turkish population is going to be a VERY slow process?
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Sip replied

04-27-2006, 07:34 AM
Re: Will Armenians always hold a hatred towards the Turks?

Emre = Owned!
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D3ADSY replied

04-27-2006, 06:31 AM
Re: Will Armenians always hold a hatred towards the Turks?

Originally posted by EMRE

hey whats your problem traitor so-called turk...after reading your post,I was ABOUT TO WAIL.you must be ashamed of yourself..how can you feel constrained to accept genocide..Im ashamed of you.Idont believe that you are turk.we are very noble nation.but unfortunately we have such kind of traitors as you..my best desire:::may god protect us form traitors as you!!!pity pity pity... be off!!!

Thank you for your valued opinion.
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EMRE replied

04-27-2006, 06:07 AM
Re: Will Armenians always hold a hatred towards the Turks?

Originally posted by Turkish Dude

How? If you mean it will have to wait until Turkey officially recognises the genocide then you will have a long wait. It might take decades, it might take centuries - then again it might never even happen.

Is this what your waiting for? I mean there are individual Turks that do recognise the Armenian genocide. They maybe small in number but they are growing. As Anonymouse was saying it is hard for Turks to voice their opinions and views a sensitive issue such as this one. What makes it even harder is the official position of the Turkish government. After it lied to the nation for 90 years how do you expect it to suddenly turn around and admit to the genocide just like that? I have the feeling that the Turkish government is going to let the people decide (as well as the government itself starting to "look more deeply" into the issue).

hey whats your problem traitor so-called turk...after reading your post,I was ABOUT TO WAIL.you must be ashamed of yourself..how can you feel constrained to accept genocide..Im ashamed of you.Idont believe that you are turk.we are very noble nation.but unfortunately we have such kind of traitors as you..my best desire:::may god protect us form traitors as you!!!pity pity pity... be off!!!

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D3ADSY replied

04-27-2006, 03:58 AM
Re: Will Armenians always hold a hatred towards the Turks?

Yes, on a national scale I cannot see how friendship between Armenia and Turkey (and Armenians and Turks) is possible without closure in terms of the genocide and it's recognition.
That said, I don't see why an Armenian and a Turk cannot be friends provided they are both on the same level of thinking in terms of what happened in 1915.
Personally I have nothing but respect and admiration for people like Taner Akcam, and him being a Turk has no negative impact on my opinion, in fact his opinions and views combined with the fact that he is in fact Turkish form the basis of my feelings. And that is the key. The hope for any form of positive interaction, or whatever you wish to call it, between us, lies with the Turkish people, not the Turkish government. Armenians share an equal responsibility. Will we be willing to forgive and move on eventually? What will happen if and when Turkey accepts it's past?
Ultimately it's up to the younger generations on both sides and I believe, sadly, the youth on both sides are being brought up with too much hate.
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Turkish Dude replied

04-27-2006, 01:24 AM
Re: Will Armenians always hold a hatred towards the Turks?

Originally posted by D3ADSY

Yes, but it is up to Turks and Turkey to bring such a thing into existence.

How? If you mean it will have to wait until Turkey officially recognises the genocide then you will have a long wait. It might take decades, it might take centuries - then again it might never even happen.

Is this what your waiting for? I mean there are individual Turks that do recognise the Armenian genocide. They maybe small in number but they are growing. As Anonymouse was saying it is hard for Turks to voice their opinions and views a sensitive issue such as this one. What makes it even harder is the official position of the Turkish government. After it lied to the nation for 90 years how do you expect it to suddenly turn around and admit to the genocide just like that? I have the feeling that the Turkish government is going to let the people decide (as well as the government itself starting to "look more deeply" into the issue).
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D3ADSY replied

04-26-2006, 11:52 PM
Re: Will Armenians always hold a hatred towards the Turks?

Originally posted by Turkish Dude

Do you think that there will be a time where Armenians and Turks could be friends?

Yes, but it is up to Turks and Turkey to bring such a thing into existence.
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Anonymouse replied

04-26-2006, 11:07 PM
Re: Will Armenians always hold a hatred towards the Turks?

Originally posted by Turkish Dude

I know Turks have done alot of horrendous and treacherous things to the Armenians (even pre 1915) but if a Turk acknowledged it all and he apologized for the things that he neither did not do and things that happened before his time on this earth. Cant this change your view?

IF the government of a nation lies about what it perpetrated against your nation, does that mean you can never associate with a person (an individual) from that nation? Could you not ever look beyond his nationality and his ethnicity? Cant you ever accept him as a friend of yours?

While there are individuals who are exceptions to the rule and think above and beyond group think, nationalities, races, religions, ideologies are still powerful forces that shape us as individuals whether we like or not.

I never said I can never associate with someone who is Turkish. You must understand the difference between association and friendship are as distant as the Earth is from the Sun. If I meet a Turk on the bus, or at school in class and we don't know who we are and by a simple chance this topic comes up, we immediately are aware of ourselves and each other and where we stand. There proceeds a gulping silence, followed by a futile and apathetic tone in both of their voices knowing very well of exactly what just unfolded and how they do not see eye to eye and it's better to leave it at that. If he or she maintains the Turkish government line, I cannot be friends with that person. I will discriminate and I reserve that right as a human to discriminate. I can accept him as a friend if he truly understands just what has transpired on the wheel of history.

Just as I reserve the right to be friends with people who deserve my friendship, I just as easily reserve the right to not be friends with those whom I deem are not worthy to be friends with. As humans, we are capable of looking both beyond and within what a person is. People often try to say that "you need to look beyond peoples' race or their religion or nationality", but is this truly sensical? As much as we can look beyond those things, but that is only a part of being human. Those other things that we are urged to look beyond are often entirely what has socialized these individuals whether for good or evil, and that will depend on perspectives.

But I think you are noble enough to come here and make a thread inquiring about this, which is a touchy subject, and not resorting to typical mockery, or other things that defeat the purpose of any discussion. As you can see, we are associating with you as a Turk. Who said it can't be possible? Friendship? Even that is a possibility. But, as the gnome krept from within the tree, he reminded me of the difference between probability and possibility.

Cheers.
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Turkish Dude replied

04-26-2006, 10:54 PM
Re: Will Armenians always hold a hatred towards the Turks?

Originally posted by Anonymouse

There may or may not be a time. However, that many Armenians can form feelings of hate, I believe it to be entirely understandable based on the history. If love is man's sun, hate is man's moon and without one another there couldn't be a spiritual eclipse which really defines man in all that he is and all that he wills to be. Why should we drink from the cup of love and call ourselves human, without having had a sip from the cup of hate and still call ourselves man? Why experience being half-a-human and still insist on calling yourself human?

Friendship is a matter based on trust, honesty and integrity. How can one be friends with someone who has tried to wipe you off and now continues to mock you? I am fully aware not all Turks were involved and not all Turks participated but is that really a trump card? While actions were limited to a few, thoughts were and always are a part of the many. So long as Turks insist on denying what they have done, any chance of reconciliation is out of the question, and rightfully so. It would be an insult and a spit on the face of my grandfather who witnessed his own parents' throats slashed in front of him by a Turk with his scimitar.

I hope this helps clarify the gravity of the situation.

I know Turks have done alot of horrendous and treacherous things to the Armenians (even pre 1915) but if a Turk acknowledged it all and he apologized for the things that he neither did not do and things that happened before his time on this earth. Cant this change your view?

IF the government of a nation lies about what it perpetrated against your nation, does that mean you can never associate with a person (an individual) from that nation? Could you not ever look beyond his nationality and his ethnicity? Cant you ever accept him as a friend of yours?
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